ARB Individual Levels as subcategories to get rid of redundant categories
5 years ago
Germany

With the recent addition of ARB IL categories comes a bit of unfortunate clutter. Namely, for 6A and 8A, the ARB objective is identical to the Full Clear objective, which makes them essentially the same run and therefore renders one of them redundant. Due to a limitation of speedrun.com, we can't simply remove those 2 categories in particular. The way this is currently treated is that the ARB categories for those 2 levels are left blank, which isn't ideal and just simply doesn't look very nice.

The way this can be fixed in an elegant way in my opinion is to make ARB a subcategory of Full Clear. This way we can most notably get rid of the redundant 6A and 8A categories, since speedrun.com allows to add variables to only specific levels. It's currently done this way for 1A Dashless too, which honestly works out great, given that both Dashless and ARB are arbitrary, in the sense that they are not implicitly defined by the game itself, and consequently aren't tracked in the journal either. Looking at how similliar Dashless and ARB ILs are on a meta level, it would make sense to treat them the same way in how they are represented on the leaderboards.

One other thing this proposal would do is that the IL grid would directly mimic the in-game IL grid shown in the journal, both even using the same timing method. This is how it used to be before ARB ILs were added, and I always found this to be very neat and pretty.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/481402275860971521/482936938047733812/36.png

The only downside I see to this is that the naming scheme could become a bit weird. With the way it currently is, there would be a category called "[Level name] - Full Clear - Full Clear", however this could be avoided by renaming the current Full Clear category something like "Collectibles" and then making the 2 subcategories of that "Full Clear" and "ARB".

Overall, this proposal would not only get rid of the redundant 6A and 8A ARB categories, but would also get rid of some general clutter and inconsistencies, as well as making the IL leaderboards better resemble the way the game represents and handles level times.

Freerny, Saieden and 3 others like this
Pennsylvania, USA

For 6A, ARB could have something submitted as 0:00.000 with the name as N/A or something along those lines. I suppose 8A could be duplicated or use the same proposed method for 6A.

Colorado, USA

0:00.000 is not an option, and shouldn't be. Duplicate runs also shouldn't exist. If subcategories are the way to go, it is possible to make it specific to 1-5 and 7.

After making a test chart, I've found that if ARB is a subcategory of Full Clear in the ILs, the FC time will still be displayed on /Celeste/individual_levels (which is good). Also, useless categories like 6ARB and 8ARB can be avoided by doing this: https://i.imgur.com/LbU9UYb.png for 1-5 and 7, as long as the level and category are specified (because it doesn't have to be set for each level. Hope this helps.

Edited by the author 5 years ago
OddBod likes this
United States

love this idea, am forwarding this right now.

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