Baltimore, MD, USAIt can be run, a decent amount of input is required to improve time, people run it already... It's a speedgame. The game may look low quality and uninteresting to you, but those who run the game would probably disagree. It's not a very good indicator to use imo
@blueYOSHI Not all google maps games lack mechanics and gameplay. The flight simulator I submitted had movement strategies and gameplay. GeoGuessr has mechanics and gameplay, you see a location and based on its appearance you look through a map to find it. The mechanics and gameplay are there. Just because it doesn't fit the typical mold of a platform/adventure game, which focus heavily on movement, doesn't mean it's not a speedgame.
An already existing community is not the entire reason the speedgame should be accepted, just an important part of it, because that's already part of what makes a good speedgame. I know that there has to be some form of quality control, my point is that rejecting all games based on google maps is not a very accurate form of quality control, because whether or not a game is based on google maps says nothing about the game's quality.
@6oliath my first post was about something seperate, but everything after is mostly about GeoGuessr while also partially applying to the game I was trying to submit. I have no interest in running GeoGuessr, but I see that others do, which is part of why I think there should be a leaderboard. I was bringing up visual novels to show that there obviously need to be some limitations on what can be on the site.
@ShikenNuggets What is it about games on google maps that makes them inherently wrong to add to the site? It's not just the fact that they are on Google Maps, it's a quality usually shared by games on google maps. My point is that it's not a good idea to reject a game just because it's based on google maps, the game's qualities should be the deciding factor. It doesn't cross the line of "is it a real speedgame worth adding to the site", it just crosses a line made to replicate the other line that I don't think is accurate, which is that no google maps related games are allowed.
Also, the argument that it's a very gray line and accepting it would cause more games to be accepted which cross that line is ridiculous. What really matters is whether or not this game crosses that line. Apply that logic to each case, and you don't have any problem.
And to clarify- when I say virtual books have no strategy to them, I mean that there is no opportunity for timesave besides button mashing, which I think most would agree is hardly a speedrun. Games like Mario Party have plenty of opportunities to save time, even if that means getting lucky, just increasing your odds or barely saving any time at all.
I know that the rejection reason is very clear. I disagree with it, though. A set quality for games to be added isn't necessary if it already has a decent sized community, like GeoGuessr. And what "set quality" does it not meet exactly? Is it the fact that it's RNG based? I really don't even see what makes this game such an abhorrent piece of garbage to run that it can't be represented on the site. It's not like it's going to collapse the site instantly. The benefits strongly outweigh the (almost nonexistent) costs. As for the part about how nothing can be done, this is a forum. It's meant for discussing things. I understand that there need to be limitations on what things can be added to the site. A random flash game no one cares about is questionable. Virtual books have no strategy to them, they're just dumb memes, adding them isn't necessary. Something not even related to a video game at all, like Super Mario Land 2 but while sticking out your tongue, or taking a shower, are obvious "no"s. But GeoGuessr? It's a game, with speed strategies, plenty of runners... It's a perfectly fine speedgame on all counts, and keeping it off the site makes no sense to me.
"I do not think the site should add something solely because it has a larger than average amount of people that want it added." If most people want it added, what's the problem? It's not like it's going to bother people by existing on the site, especially if most people want it there. Whether or not one person thinks it counts as a speedgame doesn't really matter. If it's a video game, it has runs, it has a community of speedrunners, and those runners want it added, I see no reason why it shouldn't be added. It's not going to cause any harm. Whether or not it's a good speedgame, GeoGuessr is a speedgame, and it has a community. It should be allowed on the site.
It takes more effort than that to create splits that are convincing, which is the point. It doesn't prove anything, but it does help a little bit with fake runs by either catching people who make obviously fake splits, or preventing people from submitting a fake time at all because it isn't worth it. I know it's not likely for either of those things to stop a fake time from being verified, but if video proof isn't required to begin with, it's better to have that than to have nothing.
Splits are better than nothing, if video proof isn't required to begin with.
It seems silly to reject everything on Google Maps right away. The Flight Simulator that I submitted has all of the functions of a regular game- specific starting and ending points, no change in gameplay based on real world events, all that. I don't see how it's unfit to be on the site. True, due to it's open endedness the rules need to be specific, but other than that I don't see the problem with adding it to the site besides the fact that it's on Google Earth.
I can see adding a video requirement for all new runs, but deleting all old runs with no video seems like too much
