Yeah, the whole Flying situation was a mess and wasn't handled well. Tho, it is never too late to ask for more proof whenever he does his next runs.

Yes, I think it could be added to memeboards, because runs of tool assisted or modified/hacked games aren't usually added to main leaderboards. But first, to make such a category, there has to be atleast one run of it.

You can use the emulator for regular runs as long as you don't use the Mega Speed or other types of hacks/cheats. If you look at Chinatown Wars or Liberty City Stories, there are a lot of runs that use the emulator.

First of all speedup options are available on most if not all emulators and I don't know why you posted a long section describing how to pirate the game with a particular emulator-station (?) which is basically 2 popular GBA emulators in one package.

Yes, to play GTAA on PC using an emulator is the only way, but you can play it in somewhat accurate emulation to how the game would perform on an actual hardware (depending on the emulator you use) without the need of a Mega Speed mode. The framerate is daunting at first but you get used to it over time.

Also LCS has different leaderboards for ILs and 100% because of the loading times, which debatable whether can or can not be considered a feature/trick/hack.

If there is enough of this emu only feature speedrunners than the category might be accepted, but even then probably on the "memeboards", because essentially this Mega Speed mode is modifying how the game works.
And realistically I don't think a "Mega Speed" feature would help as the input times would get all messed up and controlling the game would probably be worse, but thats just a guess, because I haven't played the game on a speedup mode.

A late response @shred but Paramedic and Air Rescue is impossible to pull of while duped. Getting to level 7 Paramedic is impressive by itself.

The reason why we didn't verify the runs is that all of CW mods agreed on that we want video evidence of the actual run itself, but not only because we want to be sure that no cheating was done in it (and not only cheating as in using the ingame cheats), but also the fact that if you potentially can use a other peoples game saves by downloading them from the web that also can contain IL times and possibly better ones than the ones currently on the IL (because other than redlof and Respect, no one really grinded most of the times that hard and there could be some CW enthusiasts who try to make perfect game saves or IL races that are not part of the speedrunning community).

So all in all we would like a video of the run, even a phone recorded video showing the mission from start to finish would do.

I know its much to ask for, because some of the times would probably be hard to replicate due to RNG etc., but for now we will reject the runs until a full video is added.

P.S. No spamerino the forums.

It will crash for most of the times for emulator and legit hardware except for the ones that are posted in either bubbles or redlofs testing results and couple of the side missions/activities

Hello, memers. Seeing as there is some interest for people to run this game, anyone can feel free to post here any current strats and tricks that could be used in runs or even those tricks that aren't speedrun viable, but are interesting in itself. Also any questions or discussions about optimization of the run itself can be posted here.

"Last online 2 months ago" I wouldn't put high hopes on that, but you could try to recreate that from the description.

as a non wanner of the vidya (except for some legit ILs) and an emu boi, I vote A

Any% - Any% No SSU - AM - 100%

It might give a bad publicity to the LBs yet if they are timed right, than those opinions could be changed. Thats the point, no one is really giving him time to prove himself. Either way it will take 1 tick from Gyoo to change whoever mods the LBs and in the case that everything turns south, that can be changed.
Also now changing the mod because Rye is Rye rather than a professional agenda, than this also looks like a "personal interest" from those who are against him being a mod.

In the end does this affect your performance as a runner? It doesn't.
Rye is fixing and keeping the LBs tidy and accurate and as posted in the changelog he is open to any suggestions to any changes timing wise, thats it.
I just find it hilarious that people are overreacting over LBs, its not like Rye has been giving an owner or president status at RS or GTA speedrunning community. It doesnt even matter who does it (well you need to know the game atleast) as long as it is done right and Rye is doing it right for now. Obviously the big experts of the game couldn't be bothered to do that before.

"He did not do this. All complaints of time inaccuracies were fixed by the old mods."
Some were fixed few weeks back and those issues were brought up by Rye then afaik. Also after presenting that there are such problems, there were still timing problems happening after the grand fix 1.0

"Did you miss Ryedawg saying he had the time to watch 16 hours of GTA V everyday? It was on the last page."
There is a difference between running and watching runs, I also spend around 8 hours watching runs but its mostly on background while I do other stuff when I am on PC. Also running is more taxing, and "or has other reasons or priorities over the act of running the game".

"Once more, he has just gone behind every runners back and made himself mod."

The only [active by your definition or the trustworthy] runners I saw who are against is you, Cheese and Sunnyy, others don't seem to care for the changes (?)

I still don't get the argument of not currently being an active runner of the game affecting his abilities to be a mod. He did run the game and maybe he has been up with the newer strats since the last run he did. Also not everyone has free time to do a 7 hour run each day or has other reasons or priorities over the act of running the game, yet Rye has fixed the LBs that active runners who were mods couldn't even do.
Just give him time, if he fucks up as being a mod as in accepts multiple wrong times or deletes something that shouldnt be deleted than give him shit, for now most of the arguments are subjective from everyone who is against this.

I think we should make Grand Theft Auto Category Extensions Extension for these types of meme runs

Couple of unrelated things I messed around with and wanted to post:

Taxi + cop - not sure if this is useful, works similar to the dupe below

Firefighter + cop - if you it this way, or the other way around (cop + ff): when the timer ends out you still keep the cop or firefighter side mission + you can start 2 instances of vigilante for example (or firefighter, but not sure if that would be very useful as you can skip ff pretty fast already). This might make vigilante duping more stable (?) as it gives you 2 levels per 1 completion but I never got around of doing all of the 15 levels, because i got wrecked pretty hard most of the time

Trying to chain this later with paramedic/air rescue/air ff crashes the game.

Thanks for the information, looks like I will have to experiment a bit and see if it is possible.

So I messed around with business side-mission duping, because in the VCS various duping test file I didn't saw anything about these missions being testet. So I tried it out and for now have found some interesting semi-useful stuff.

Prostitution: (Not tested on legit hardware) Can't be duped. [for now] If you start second instance of Prostitution your vehicle gets automatically destroyed every time, even if you move it out of the way.

Protection Racket: (Crashes/softlocks on PSP couple of levels in) Can be duped. Everything goes as normal, only you get 2 jobs for the price of one. Only, problem is that (out of 2 tries) it softlocks couple of jobs into the side-mission - enemies don't spawn yet their markers appear. If you have grenades with you or you kill the clerk, you can end the side-mission. Also if you restart it, it starts from the last job, so this might be useful if you go zoomy and dont get softlocked (?)

Loan Shark: (Works on PSP) Can be duped. Both instances need to be started without going outside (probably similar to Protection Racket). The hardest part about this is trying to wiggle out the cars that spawned into each other and situations when nearby gang members try to attack you, I suggest armor for this. Also might be useful if done fast and getting lucky with the cars. The best way to wiggle out a car that has a bike stuck inside of it is to try and do a donut and eventually the truck will pop out and you will be able to drive away.

Drug Running: (Works on PS2) Tested by Powdinet. Level 1 and Level 3 can be duped. Also if you get a bad spawn on second instance you can cancel and start a new one (If I understood that correctly, will be tested on PSP aswell)

Robbery: (Works on PSP)
So I tested out Robbery business missions:
Level 1 - can be duped, only thing is there is some minor unusual slowdown while doing the mission, but nothing noticable and was like 1 - 2 sec, so might my hardware issues, tested on psp
Level 3 - if you dont save and reload after dupe, the framerate becomes Advance-esque, so thats a problem, if you save and reload, when you get to the briefcase and pick it up, the game crashes, both on emu and psp (not useful)
Level 4 - can be duped, but is prone to a bit more slowdown during the mission than Level 1, but nothing serious, tested on psp
Level 5 - even with save and reload the framerate turns to hot garbage, so cant be duped, atleast its not RTA useful and it probably crashes on the briefcase pickup
If needed, I can make a vid, but the set up is the same, start one instance, wait while the rampage runs out in the Empire, start next mission, get out and do the level as intended.

• Ideas for hundo route: * So the best route for using the dupes would be either dupe Level 1 and do rest as intended or dupe level 1, do level 3, than route in something between this and than come back to robbery, dupe level 4 and do level 6.
While doing level 3, once you pick up the briefcase, if on om0, we could try to get one rampage near the stadium, so when we are at the Empire and start level 4, the rampage is close to running out and we could make duping of level 4 a bit more optimal.

A working Vigilante dupe: (Works on PSP only)
Posting this so it is documented somewhere. Not sure if it is faster, but if you go zoomy and have to get a missing balloon or something inbetween, this can be optimal for hundo.

So the main thing to keep in mind here is to not go over level 15 because you wont get awarded the completion percentage. So what you do (shown in the video below) you get to level 12 optimally (not level 14) cancel Vigilante, while the vigilante is canceled immediately cancel it again so that the second instance gets cancelled and than start Vigilante and do the last 5 levels normally.

Seeing how the game gets affected differently with crashes I have a suggestion, similar to LCS, to put a different category for PSP Emu to both Any% NSG and 100%, as I believe it would be more fair. I know that would make the leaderboards look even more fragmanted, but I believe there is no other choice based by the nature of this game.

What does everyone else think about this?

P.S. Derek, what version of the PPSSPP you use? As far as I remember, my game crashed after few mins of getting the white lines, but maybe the newer version of the emu have been more stable now.

From the series of "What happens when speedrunning is the only thing you do in your spare time and want everyone else on the site to have the same passion as you" comes another great hit novel.