So here is a thread to discuss suggestion of game changes for afterbirth+ that will make racing and speedrunning better. We don't know what modding tools will be capable of, so suggestion are gonna be either sent to Tyrone on twitter, or made by ourselves via modding tools. I figured it would be good to discuss those things in 1 place, so here we go.

My first and obvious suggestion is fixing floor generation algorythm, so we don't get 2 rooms floor, second one is adjusting weight of shop items, so mapping is more common. Those are 2 obvious ones that come into my mind, I will probly think about more later

Well I actually already have a list of things. FrankerZ

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lL47GiLCAxi5sDajBYi-XrYBLHrHQjcEic5swpeaiag/edit#heading=h.z6ne0og04bp5

If you guys can come up with any other ones I'll add it to the doc.

I have few suggestions that are not necessarily just for speedrunning but for the game that would also help speedrunning this game better :

1. Fix "The Keeper" devil deal system and make it more consistent to be able to take devil deals.
2. Fix "Lilith" all synergies, a lot of synergies don't work with lilith due to incubus not working with them for example : monstro's lung + tech x / brimstone, tech x + brimstone, knife (doesn't deal normal knife dmg), tech.5, cursed eye and there are more that I can't recall right now.
3. Fix the holy mantle / scapular visual graphic bug in the first room of the floor (it doesn't actually work untill you load a different room).
4. Fix angel rooms / Devil deals being empty (no pedestal items) and maybe add a way of locking in angel rooms ?
5. Fix the cage boss being impossible to beat sometimes if he jumps and stomp you with the rocks since it seems to be random / unavoidable.
6. Fix co-op baby being able to steal devil deals with it. 7.Fix spear of destiny visual grahpic bug when you have Maw of the void or Kidney stone + Fix Mega blast graphic bug when you exit and continue you still have mega blast visual effect without shooting the laser (those are just bugs that i remeber seeing in the game so thought i should mention it.)

Those are the things that came to mind now, if I'll remeber more I'll mention it here.

Yeah Cyber I don't really think they are looking for balance suggestions. That's purely up to Edmund, not Nicalis.

well if they don't do it I think we should at least in ab+.

I added the bugs in your list to the doc.

Since Jud9s is a category now in Afterbirth, it seems reasonable that people might want to have another modded category in Afterbirth+. Such a category could include balance changes. We can talk about that more in the February/March time-frame.

Krakenos, I don't get why you don't want two room floors. Thats faster! Also Zam, on your sheet, are half of the "bug fixes" even actual bugs? Also why bring up fixing the coop baby glitch but not the BM clip?

Albeit small, along with Mantle and Scap, Whore of Babylon should also be proc'd on the starting room of a floor.

[quote=Hardrocker]Krakenos, I don't get why you don't want two room floors. Thats faster![/quote]

The point is that it makes racing more consistent. (It also makes speedrunning more consistent, but that's a secondary point.) If we wanted the fastest possible runs, we would mod out all of the hard rooms, etc.

[quote=Hardrocker]are half of the "bug fixes" even actual bugs?[/quote]

While the majority of the changes are indeed bug fixes, I'll change the section title from "Bug Fixes" to "Mod Changes".

[quote=Hardrocker]Also why bring up fixing the coop baby glitch but not the BM clip?[/quote]

The rules for SRL are listed here: http://www.speedrunslive.com/races/game/#!/isaacafterbirth/1

As you can see, co-op baby is not allowed, but BM clip is.

¤points to arbitrary rules that were setup¤

Okay, let's ban BM clip now too along with all over clips and glitches, thanks.

Ohhh, thanks Zam. For some reason it didn't come to mind that this was a racing mod (duh).