This thread applies to people who play the Instant Start / Jud6s seeded racing mod ruleset, either on SpeedRunsLive.com or in tournaments. To the best of my knowledge, the list of people that meet the above criteria are, in alphabetical order:

1. _910dan
2. antizoubilamaka
3. Augo_
4. bmz_loop
5. CrafterLynx
6. Dea1h
7. DKlaww
8. ceehe
9. Cyber_1
10. giraffefizzoid
11. HauntedQuest
12. ItsScion
13. Krakenos
14. magicdiner_
15. OhMyGoth
16. ou_j
17. Rydyell
18. SlashSP
19. tanook_leduc
20. thalen22
21. thisguyisbarry
22. Warshoty
23. Zamiel

Dea1h (and others) have recently proposed changes to the seeded ruleset. However, feedback is required to ensure that any changes are made with the consensus of the Isaac community.

If you are on the above list, please post your feedback! (see below)

If you are not on the above list and you actually race the seeded ruleset, my bad for missing you! Please let me know and post below with your feedback.

If you are not in the above list and you don't actually race the seeded ruleset, please don't bother posting in this thread, as the aim is to ONLY get feedback from people who actually race.

If you don't have strong opinions and don't want to type up a lengthy response, that's completely fine. However, at the very least please answer the following questions with a "yes", "no", or "I don't care".

For the seeded Jud6s ruleset:

1. Should the Broken Remote be removed? Pro: Teleports are unseeded, so it can be potentially unfair. Con: It makes the game less "vanilla".

2. Should Cursed Eye be removed? Pro: Teleports are unseeded, so it can be potentially unfair. Con: It makes the game less "vanilla".

3. Should Telepills be removed? Pro: Teleports are unseeded, so it can be potentially unfair. Con: It makes the game less "vanilla".

4. Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? Pro: Currently, the "correct" strategy is, for the most part, to ignore money and ignore shops. This is a little boring - if the shop pool was changed to be overall better, then money collection and shops would once again be important like they were in the days of Rebirth (and Wrath of the Lamb). Con: It makes the game significantly less "vanilla" and may be potentially confusing to new seeded racers. Pro: Most of us have been playing the seeded ruleset for a long time (6+ months). So, it might be fun to "spice" things up a bit before Afterbirth+, especially if it will make the ruleset more fun and play better.

5. Assuming you are for modifying the shop pool, what do you think is the best way to go about it?

• One way is to just remove all of the bad items, which makes the probability of getting a good shop item such as There's Options much better.
• Another way is to add some good core items from other pools, such as +1 damage and so forth.
• Yet another way is to add some good utility items from other pools, such as various forms of flight.

That's it. Thanks and looking forward from hearing from you guys.

Here are my thoughts: Should the broken remote be removed? Yes Should cursed eye be removed? No Should telepills be removed? Yes Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No

Here are my thoughts: Should the broken remote be removed? Yes. Should cursed eye be removed? Yes. Should telepills be removed? Don't care. Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No.

Should the broken remote be removed? Yes. Should cursed eye be removed? Yes. Should telepills be removed? Don't care. Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No. (I'm not against racing on modified item pools but this should be done on a separate racing mod and not on Jud6s/InstaStart. Making such a significant change to any pool would go against what Jud6s/InstaStart is all about)

Here are my thoughts: Should the broken remote be removed? Yes Should cursed eye be removed? Yes Should telepills be removed? Yes Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No

Same reasoning as Haunted for shop pool changes.

1)Should the broken remote be removed? Yes

2)Should cursed eye be removed? No, cuz it risky item , which the not all people gonna take it in race anyway

3)Should telepills be removed? No, its rare and fun

4)Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? Yes Agree with - "it might be fun to "spice" things up a bit"

5. Assuming you are for modifying the shop pool, what do you think is the best way to go about it? add some good utility items

1)Should the broken remote be removed? Yes

2)Should cursed eye be removed? No, reasoning being, that you need to be good with it, a lot of players will not even take it because they can autolose with it.

3)Should telepills be removed? I don't care,

4)Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No, I don't think it's good to do it in this ruleset, but I think making a seperate ruleset with this change might be fun.

1)Should the broken remote be removed? Yes 2)Should cursed eye be removed? No because its a skill item 3)Should telepills be removed? Yes 4)Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No

Yes, yes, no, no

1. yes
2. yes
3. no
4. no

1. yes
2. yes
3. yes
4. no

1. Yes
2. No
3. Don't care
4. No

1. yes
2. No
3. yes
4. Yes
5. add some dmg and quality items. remove a few bad items "Make shop great again"

1. Yes
2. No
3. No, too rare to care
4. Yes, I'm all for modifying item pools to make them viable
5. Take out the active items, anything else would probably be taking it too far

Here are my thoughts: Should the broken remote be removed? Yes Should cursed eye be removed? No, required skill and health, add risky to racers Should telepills be removed? Yes, same use of blue TP... Rare, but can change completly a race. Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No, usually racers dont take money, changing items...? so, i think people go straight and have compass and black candle what do you expect in the shop? I dont care

1. Yes
2. No : Considering the item got a "prize" to be used as you damage yourserlf for it to proc for a completely luck based result, meaning that you can't really abuse it as you would with a remote combo. Also if you don't play it carefully it can troll you. 3)No 4)Yes : seems good to bring shops back in the game. (maybe make it like a choosable option in the mod menu ?)
3. Considering people may not collect ressources for the shop whith a strong build, the items of the pool may not be game changing but little boost, so yeah damage above all.

yes, its unseeded and has no skill involved in using it. I feel this is a no brainer.

emphatically no, cursed eye is a skill based item based on health management and also not getting hit when you dont mean to.

No, keep telepils. we all know the risks of taking drugs... they can help you lose a race with a speed down or help you win a race with a good pill (or in anti's case with a bombs are key :D). Its up to the player to decide what they want to do.

No, i'm against artificially making the game that much different then regular isaac. Granted seeded is pretty different already but for a viewer its going to get pretty confusing. Also the items added to the shop would have to be pretty significant to make players pick up coins and take the time to use the shop as well.

1. Should the broken remote be removed? Yes

2. Should Cursed Eye be removed? No, I think cursed eye is a very skill based item and the better person with cursed eye will have the better chance to get better teleports because he's using it better (not getting hit as much) and manage to controll the teleports better (not teleport to unintentional hits) and also cursed eye is a dps up if you use it right (dps down if you dont).

3. Should Telepills be remove No, I think it's a gamble same as deciding where to use a stars/hermit card...

4. Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? No, maybe in a different mod since this mod is about vanilla as possible imo.

1)Should the broken remote be removed? Yes.

2)Should Cursed Eye be removed? Yes. The way I see it, with two racers with comparable skill level, the only major difference comes from how many uses it takes to get a good teleport, which is a terrible concept due to the teleports using a limited resource (health). I agree that it takes skill to use, but so do such a number of items used in speedrunning and racing that it's not much of an argument in my eyes.

3)Should telepills be removed? No. Pills are even riskier in seeded than unseeded. I don't think removing telepills would have a positive effect on the format.

4)Should the shop pool be modified to make it better? I personally don't care, but if forced to choose I'd rather keep it in its current state.

yes, no, no, no