Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: What happened to GTA SA runs verification? Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean |
Man, if you can write your posts, while everybody else is getting sunlight and blaming you - you straight homie |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: What happened to GTA SA runs verification? Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean |
GTA SA mods - thank you for finally switching IL Races' timings from outdated and too inaccurate IGT to RTA, and thanks for verification of my runs as well If tone of my first message in this thread seemed defiant and offensive - I apologize for that By the way, now in SF to LV leaderboard ( speedrun.com/gtasa/SF_to_LV ), some players have wrong places. I used VSDC Free Video Editor to measure the timings of the fastest runners, and also downloaded relevant videos in best available resolutions. Here the results of my measurements: 2. aroszparo 2:26 IGT 3. Blantas 2:28 IGT 3. darkgeorge12 2:28 IGT 3. Rider_Blade 2:28 IGT 6. Harps 2:27 IGT 7. oPxrcy "2:27" IGT So correct positions of runners and their timings should be as follows: 1. Tier4Jean - 2:27.320 (not .230) |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: What happened to GTA SA runs verification? Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean (edited: ) |
Hi Hoxi, my 1st post in this thread was not so much a complaint, as an attempt to draw attention to the fact that there were no verified runs for a whole week. And I tried to speak very politely, like "hello mods, what happened, you forgot about verifications of runs?" About changing the timings in IL races (from outdated and too inaccurate IGT to RTA) - I indicated this for Very Important Reasons. I did serious significant detailed work precisely on IL races timings - with LOTS of data, numbers, comparisons, analytics, arguments, etc. If GTA SA mods and runners are ready to explore data and results of this work, then I will publish it in a separate thread |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: What happened to GTA SA runs verification? Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean (edited: ) |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: What happened to GTA SA runs verification? Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean |
Yesterday or the day before yesterday, the last verified run was 4 March 2021 Now the last verified run is TopalMuharrem's 4+ hours run from March 10, which was checked the very next day I submitted 2 short IL runs of 2.5 minutes each on March 6 (today is March 13), and they are still not verified I understand that some moderators may be busy, but we have the whole 6 moderators, of which only 2 didn't appear on speedrun.com during the last week (DiskoSpider and 123robot). At the time of publication of this post: speedrun.com/user/cazpersky/info speedrun.com/user/Crucial1357/info speedrun.com/user/hoxi/info speedrun.com/user/Petrus/info P.S. No offence, sorry for this little reminder |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: does anyone know why you can't use silentpatch Started by: RobbyThomas2525RobbyThomas2525 |
Thanks for the “amazing runner”, Booskop, I appreciate that. Also thanks for the information about different versions of GTASA (even though I knew this before) But unfortunately it seems that "you're being a fool", because you don’t even understand what I wrote a few posts above: >>>Tier4Jean: I don’t call oPxrcy a cheater (especially malicious cheater)<<< AGAIN, I DID NOT CALL oPxrcy A CHEATER (learn to read carefully, please). Although I had every right to call him "ch-word", but I don’t want to. Because I see that oPxrcy showed a good / very good skill in some other IL runs, I see that he tried to show a good result, he spent time and effort But at the same time, I can’t keep silent about the fact that his “world record” on Into the Country IL - IS NOT EVEN CLOSE TO WORLD RECORD !!! Once again, guys, before answering, have you read it properly, what I wrote? : >>>Tier4Jean: If the dry figures are not clear enough for you, then just simultaneously run my 2:42 run and oPxrcy 2:41 run on one screen. Even a little earlier than the 2nd minute in-game time you will see that due to a much better driving technique, I am already ahead of oPxrcy (even though an early start gives him more than a second of advantage !!). Also already a little earlier than the 2nd minute IGT, you will see how oPxrcy's race timer begins to lag behind mine<<< oPxrcy's run: My run: PLEASE LAUNCH BOTH OF THESE RUNS SIMULTANEOUSLY ON ONE SCREEN, and you will see that oPxrcy is actually SLOWER THAN ME FOR A WHOLE SECOND DOES NOT MATTER that the console version is original. In PS2 version, in-game time DOES NOT WORK CORRECTLY If in REAL time, guy A runs a hundred meters in 12 seconds, and guy B in 13. But guy B starts his stopwatch 2 seconds later and announces that he "ran in 11 seconds" - so you will SERIOUSLY consider that guy B is faster?! This is exactly the situation - I'm a guy A, oPxrcy is a guy B, a broken stopwatch is IGT in the PS2 version of GTASA >>> Booskop: If you want to get a better race time, race on console<<< I am terribly sorry, but this is NOT "a better race time", this is a broken malfunctioning bullsh*t time Anyway, thank you all for the answers, it was interesting to know the players' opinion about situation with the in-game time working incorrectly on PS2 (and other versions with 30 FPS). Peace |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: does anyone know why you can't use silentpatch Started by: RobbyThomas2525RobbyThomas2525 (edited: ) |
With all due respect, when a racer who is actually slower than me for a whole second, due to a malfunctioning in-game time SUDDENLY turns out to be "faster" than me; when REAL time 2:44 is determined by the game as 2:41 (!!) - I have every right to call this situation a Cheating Advantage I don’t call oPxrcy a cheater (especially malicious cheater) I only say that PlayStation version of GTASA (and other versions with 30 FPS) gives an unfair advantage due to broken IGT (especially for the high title of "optimal platform") |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: does anyone know why you can't use silentpatch Started by: RobbyThomas2525RobbyThomas2525 (edited: ) |
If you play at 30 frames instead of 25, then in missions where the final result is IGT (not Real Time) - you will have a cheating advantage over 25 frames players For example, take a look at the “world record” in mission "Into the Country": Player oPxrcy has “best” result in this mission (actually he has NOT). In-game time of this "wr" is 2:41. But let's look at the REAL time of this run Youtube video processing has a slight error, however: Start of the race - 00:11.657 02:55.717 - 00:11.657 = 02:44.060 !!!!! Yes, visually IGT of the Finish of this run is closer to 2:42 seconds than 2:41, but the difference between REAL time and in-game time is still MORE THAN TWO SECONDS (which is ETERNITY for racing) • And now take a look at the “second place” in the same mission: https://www.speedrun.com/gtasa/run/y89e0gxm This is my run, which in 3 months will be already 3 years old - 2:42 IGT. Again, look at REAL time (plus-minus a small error of Youtube video processing) 00:14.834 - Start of the race 02:57.933 - 00:14.834 = 02:43.099 Visually IGT of the Finish of my run is closer to 2:42 seconds than 2:43. The difference between in-game and real time in this run is about one second (still a lot, but NOT MORE THAN TWO SECONDS, as in oPxrcy "2:41" run • If the dry figures are not clear enough for you, then just simultaneously run my 2:42 run and oPxrcy 2:41 run on one screen. Even a little earlier than the 2nd minute in-game time you will see that due to a much better driving technique, I am already ahead of oPxrcy (even though an early start gives him more than a second of advantage !!). Also already a little earlier than the 2nd minute IGT, you will see how oPxrcy's race timer begins to lag behind mine Once again, oPxrcy's REAL time - 02:44.060, mine - 02:43.099 . But the funniest thing is that if you remove the buggy start of oPxrcy (because I didn't use an early start in my 2:42 run) - his REAL time will be 2:45+ !!! While my real time will be still 02:43.099 THAT'S what I mean by "Cheating Advantage". This oPxrcy guy with mediocre driving technique, even with an early start bug finishes a race 1 second slower than me. Without an early start, on an equal footing, oPxrcy is 2 SECONDS slower than me So how does this much weaker driver (oPxrcy) set a “world record” in this mission (Into the Country) ?! 30 FPS rush to the rescue, magically turning weak 2:44 into 2:41 !!! In this situation, I personally see 2 ways out: 1. Make a separate category AT LEAST for missions where the final result is IGT (not Real Time) for the PlayStation version of GTASA (and similar versions with 30 FPS) Because so far runners using the PlayStation version of GTASA, have an Unfair Cheating Advantage over players using the PC version. I hope the individual level moderators will read this post and solve the problem of the Cheating Advantage of PlayStation version of GTASA (and other versions with 30 FPS) |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: My Runs + little rant. Started by: ResetReset (edited: ) |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: No EXACT end timing in IL rules Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean (edited: ) |
You misunderstood meaning of my video proof, Mehmet. I just wanted to demonstrate the timing rules for individual levels before “The IL Situation” For Quarry levels, Pilot School levels, races, etc. we use IGT While I'm talking about other missions, such as "555 We Tip", "A Home In The Hills", "Against All Odds" etc., missions where we use REAL TIME ᠌ |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: No EXACT end timing in IL rules Started by: Tier4JeanTier4Jean |
"Timing starts upon skipping the initial mission cutscene, and ends when the mission has been passed." IL rules ᠌ BUT. ᠌ IL rules ᠌ ᠌ At 0:25 and after you can read: "Timing ends when you see Mission passed" ᠌ |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: Updated rules discussion + some other stuff Started by: KZ_FREWKZ_FREW |
Maybe for runs without video proof we need to create a separate category? Like "The museum of ancient historical runs", with all respect to the work of our great ancestors I understand that I am nobody in GTA SA speedruns (except for several IL's). But still, if THERE IS NO VIDEO for a run - then THERE IS NO EVIDENCE that the run is made without cheating, scripts, cuts, or unacceptable violations of the rules of GTA SA speedruns. You can not even claim that run without video proof EXISTS! |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: SUBMIT YOUR ILs (more info inside) Started by: KZ_FREWKZ_FREW |
>Hello, can I submit a run, which is performed by another player who is currently inactive (9 months already)? Of course, his result will belong to him, not to me. I'm talking about Akzo, and one of his IL's has already been submitted and verified by our moderator and verifier a week ago Because of this stupid "IL situation" many results of inactive players were lost, and I just want to pay respect to player who was in the first place before me, whose technique I learned to improve 1st place time. The run I want to submit has already been verified before IL's removing, and I even have the exact date of its approval [Tier4Jean, 5 days ago] ᠌ ᠌ |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: My Runs + little rant. Started by: ResetReset |
Congratulations on your new Any% WR, lelreset! ᠌ |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: SUBMIT YOUR ILs (more info inside) Started by: KZ_FREWKZ_FREW |
Hello, can I submit a run, which is performed by another player who is currently inactive (9 months already)? Of course, his result will belong to him, not to me. I'm talking about Akzo, and one of his IL's has already been submitted and verified by our moderator and verifier a week ago Because of this stupid "IL situation" many results of inactive players were lost, and I just want to pay respect to player who was in the first place before me, whose technique I learned to improve 1st place time. The run I want to submit has already been verified before IL's removing, and I even have the exact date of its approval |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: The IL Situation Started by: 39daph39daph (edited: ) |
Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: The IL Situation Started by: 39daph39daph (edited: ) |
>rip wuzi and blantas Don't forget darkgeorge12, one of the best racers in GTA SA. He has A LOT of San Andreas IL records (1st places). And other guys with several first and/or prize places in SA individual levels |
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Forum: Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas Thread: The IL Situation Started by: 39daph39daph (edited: ) |
Perhaps from now on deleting the leaderboards with SUCH A HUGE number of records should be HIGHLY PROHIBITED? If someone (doesn't matter how big his authority is) wants to delete SO MANY records or even entire sections - first HE MUST create an appropriate topic on the forum, OR AT LEAST ask permission to delete such a big amount of data from all GTASA moderators. That is, without the permission of all main moderators, one person (whoever he is) CAN NOT remove a large number of records from the leaderboards Seriously, speedrun.com/gtasa/individual_levels was probably the world's best database of GTASA IL's with a great amount of World Records (most likely). More than 150 IL's, a minimum of 500-1000 runs on IL leaderboards (maybe much more). Moderation of runs, rules, links to videos, description, several years of work... And now all this... just gone So once again, the authority to remove a large number of records and entire sections must be STRICTLY LIMITED. What happened with GTASA IL's, MUST NOT happen again anywhere, especially with such a legendary game like this P.S. Sorry for bad english |
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