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  SpiderHakoSpiderHako

Watch the run and check if it is following the rules of the game. If it is, there should be 3 dots at the upper right corner of the run. Click that and it will give you these options:

Edit run
Verify run
Reject run

If the rules aren't followed, click Reject run and it will want you to write a reason for the rejection. Write the reason and press OK.

If the run is timed wrong, retime it yourself by clicking Edit run.

If you are still confused, feel free to ask 🙂

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  607607

When I started a couple of months ago, I asked the same question, and got a really helpful reply from Simon. 🙂

Originally posted by SimonN"Verifying" merely means accepting the run to the leaderboard.

Look at the run, be sure that the category's goals were met, be reasonably confident that it's not cheated, and that the submitted time is accurate. Then you accept the run by verifying (click the three dots in upper-right corner of a run's page, select verify). The site can't check how closely you looked at the run before verifying the run. Instead, the runners trust the moderators to do a reasonable job.

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You can't rule out cheating 100 % from a video recording. Some trust is required. 🙂

If you're suspicious about a run, ask community members. If nobody finds solid proof, I'd verify the run. Most submissions are not cheated, that's the important base case. In a pinch, moderators can remove a run after it got verified.

You'll develop intuition for what is good human play, and what is probably TAS. In some 3D games with analog directional input, you can distinguish good TASing from human input from character movement. In old 2D platformers, that's much more difficult. 🙂 Humans nail frame-perfect presses and can button-mash faster than 10 Hz with good rhythm.

"Cheating in Speedrunning - How easy is it? A brief history and assessment" talks about game modding, TASing, and splicing (stitching videos together), along with examples how each got debunked:
https://www.reddit.com/r/speedrun/comments/6ci50v/

-- Simon

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  PresJPolkPresJPolk

How I verify:

If a run isn't a WR claim, make sure the video exists of the actual run, and press verify.

If it's a WR claim, then here's my process:

1. Download the run
2. Watch the run to make sure it follows the rules and does nothing shady
3. Load the video in avidemux to time it
4. Correct the time and press verify

 
  PresJPolkPresJPolk

Yes, use a tool such as youtube-dl or streamlink in order to download the video

 
  ZachoholicZachoholic

If it's a Twitch VOD you can also use Twitch Leecher to download the run.

 
  PresJPolkPresJPolk

Drakodan, not for #45 on the board. It's not important.

And spidersponge, if you can do that without slowing things down, more power to you. Stuff like that is why people burn out and then runs pile up on the board.

 
  HowDenKingHowDenKing

ffzThinkingUMU
imo it IS important to treat all runs with the same respect, so checking them the same as if they were #1 is the appropriate way to handle them.

/edit cuz you also edited:
before burning out, a second person should be consulted to speed things up.

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  PresJPolkPresJPolk

Yeah, no, I reject your claim that it's disrespectful. In my experience, from what actual runners actually tell me in the course of moderation, people are glad to get their runs on the board, and ¤don't¤ want to put moderators to the trouble of having to spend hours on them.

If you make a federal case out of every PB, then folks start getting reluctant to put their random PBs on the board, because they don't want to be a bother.

So that may be your theory, but there's no actual evidence that it's disrespectful.

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  DrakodanDrakodan

It's not a "bother" to make sure the player hasn't split late, it literally takes a few seconds. There may be many games that use ingame timing for which it's possible to time to the frame, but honestly players should be doing that themselves before submitting. If not, it's the mod's responsibility to correct it without making a fuss. That's just part of the role.

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  JayJane4JayJane4

Honestly, I'd rather the mod take the time to make sure I did things correctly. So that maybe when I do improve enough to be in the top 5 or something, my run isn't rejected because there was a rule that I didn't realize I wasn't following because they didn't check before.

But then again, I have the patience to wait for the mod to have enough time to do a proper verification. :3 And Im still really new to this so maybe I'm just being naively idealistic.

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  DrakodanDrakodan

Nothing like that should happen, realistically. If you're going for a top time like that in a game, you'll no doubt know the rules by then so you'll know what counts for a legit run. If you happen to get details wrong in the submission such as the wrong time, run date, etc, that is not ground for rejection.

 
  PresJPolkPresJPolk

What I do to ensure people are doing it correctly:

1. I have detailed rules up for everything.

2. I promptly answer questions. Everyone knows I'm available for and promptly answer questions here, on Twitter, and on Discord. I build whole websites for these games.

3. I do offer retimes if people ¤ask¤ for them, such as when there's a tie on the board.

I ended up teaching all the top Kung Fu runners, back when that game was hotly competitive, how to retime their own runs. That way I wasn't a single point of failure for the community. A moderator doing the job well becomes a resource for the runners of that game, without mechanically spending 30 minutes downloading, 45 minutes watching at 2x speed, and 5 minutes timing every random PB. That's not where the value add is.

 
  LivLiv

Worth noting also sometimes simply checking the run in avidemux won't work.

Both Twitch and OBS itself, if they encounter an issue mid-encoding, will "skip ahead" the time where they encountered the issue. As in, they won't fill that time with "dead air" in the video length, the program/twitch will cut that section out itself to amend the recording and make sure you aren't gonna encounter any errors whilst watching the video file.

That is to say a video may be 12:00 minutes in length but actually 12:05 (as an example) was the length of the run. Why some games require a timer sometimes in case this does happen, then you can use the timer to "track" the run.

 
  JayJane4JayJane4

In the case of something like that though, wouldn't you detect the skip while watching it when you review it, and bring it up with the runner? I see why it would be nearly impossible to know the correct timing if there wasn't a timer on the screen but it could happen to anyone.

 
  LivLiv

Well I mean I'm only explaining why dropping a video into an editing program and counting video length/frame count is a potentially flawed process. How people properly verify runs isn't a concern of mine unless it's a game I happen to run.

 
  PresJPolkPresJPolk

Well, you can't actually verify, let alone accurately time, a run that doesn't have a working video, as that's indistinguishable from a splice.

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  LivLiv

I'm not really talking about splicing though, just bad encoding.

In my opinion, runs without video shouldn't even be submitted in the first place. Nevermind even considered for verification.

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  PresJPolkPresJPolk

Badly encoded to the point where you can't accurately frame count is the same as not working, in my view. Badly encoded video would be an easy way to try to pass of a splice, or even would be the RESULT of a splice.

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