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No need to thanks , hoping my ones will continue to help for a bit of time and the players increase their pbs too! i will come back at some point with a true TAS and the discoveries i did with the other discord!

(PS: no need to worry about the videos , they will stay until someone show a video of a better time)

Ok , i will stop here and pass on WR64 , good luck.

What about what i said few hours ago?

Congrats russell, you got me here , so i can let you the keys to the experience?

1/17/38 Golden forest : saving a frame on the jump before the trees bridge and did a masterpice zigzag saving another one before that.

1/06/75 Deadly Fall : saving a fraction of frame on the beginning , fraction of frame doing the ZBA technic before alcove , half a frame on the alcove and a fraction of frame in the end.

this is my most proudest (with crystal lake) Multi segment i ever did .

1/05/76 Deadly fall OOB : doing the run with the 79 glitchless ghost , good one to take.

75 on Deadly fall will depends on the beginning of the race , testing everything on live with one of the best player and trying to follow our opinion and path wasn’t enough to pull it. I will surely not give up , but the chance of the 75 still extremely low at this point. I will show it to everyone soon the 2 new 79 i got , this could be useful for us.

Btw , almsot forgot about Deadly fall but i find the way to get the perfect start just before moguls , after the beginning , while you are on the air , press A and you can save a frame (just found it 10min ago so the 75 is on :3)

so , i did some test and its kinda like at least a fraction of frame saved (maybe half idk) but i doubt this will bring me the 17(13) on CL , i need something else and this will be good to aim for it for a bizhawk TAS .

(btw i will focus on DF glitchless MS this month exclusively (on live) at the mid-end of december exactly , Good luck for the players to focus on it!)

he did a jump on the cliff , what is more interesting is his shortctut , i knew the ZBA technic was good to use barely , i will speak with the other 1080 discord server about that and we will take a better view on it. thanks for the sharing. (If i have the will...)

1/22/69 dragon Cave : saved 1 frame to the beginning to a better position piercing the snow floor.

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This is not what i said , for me , with the actual acknowledged strategy , for these 3 races , i cannot go lower , but of course this is not the perfect time.
I will also stop to say these useless thing , i think the few active players already know what the situation is.

Weekly Multi Segment Result : 3 races improved : Crystal Lake 1/02/20 = saving a frame to the sonata Bonk.
Crystal Peak 1/25/93 = saving a frame to the S bender 2nd turner and another one from sonata Bonk.
Dragon Cave 1/2/73 = saving 2 frames on the mountain cliff.

actual total time : 7/42/91.

these are my estimation over the 6 races : Crystal Lake cannot actually go lower than 1/02/20 (except in match race) with the acknowleged strat from today , its possible than few path like the shortcut entrance/exit can save a fraction of frame.

for Crystal Peak , i estimate 1/25/93 as my best time i can reach on it. everything was improved compared to my precedent performance , but it still possible than my last S bender turner is not quite perfect.

For Golden Forest , its the same but i know i can save a frame over the zigzag part.

For Mountain village , i can save half a frame over the beginning and another half frame from a jump cancel after moguls. my turner on the S bender before entering the cave can be improved by half a frame if i m more close to the right wall on the turner. but its quite difficult to reach the pefect cave since i need to get bonked by the right side on the turner to keep my advance alive. the rest of the run cannot be improved.

For Dragon Cave , i can save maybe 1 frame to the mountain cliff , the wall bounce was perfect on my 73 but the position was really bad , i can save over 2 frames if i improve my jump before the rock leaded to the bridge , the rest of the run cannot be improved.

For Deadly Fall : its quite difficult to see anything to be improved , the 79 seems perfect in all part but the alcove can maybe help , even if i m sure my one was perfect in almost all point (except the exit when i did few useless movement) and apparently i can save a fraction of frame at the 2 jump cancel in the end. who knows but i also reached my limit for a long time.

There is my opinion about the 6 races , i still think i got the actual best possible time on half of the race (CL/CP/DF) so if you have any ideas or question to make feel free !

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heya guys , just here to announce than i m on the hit for mountain village and after that golden forest. here is the path i think i can improve on these two races :

Mountain village : the mogul jump strat bert did on his 1/28/01. ( 0,5 frame possible saved)
another jump cancel after that. (0,5 frame saved so 1 frame in this area)
no bonk cave. (possibly equal because no losing speed after it and no loss frame)
going left to the cave before fallen down. (1 frame saved)
better position before house shortcut. (1/2 frame saved)

i legitimately estimate with all of these clues i can aim the 1/27/68. but after that i don't know what to do. (i said 58 before but this is a mistake , i don't think we can aim it for the moment)

Golden forest : the jump over the zigzag. (1/2 frame but i think only 1)

i think this one can go for sure to a 1/17/41 , if the zigzag save 2 frame so it will be a 38.

so i would like to give me your opinion over all of the races , if you have any request , test , clues , notice mistakes , don't hesitate to post here or on youtube. here is what i tried over the races :

Crystal lake : Loman carve (0,1 frame lost) no release Z shortcut (0,5 frame gained).
Crystal Peak : release Z momentum (2/3 frames gained).
Golden forest : jumping zigzag (equal but have to be retried again) clutch wall in the beginning shortcut (1 frame gained).
Mountain village : no release Z on the jump bender before entering the cave (2 frames saved) , turner sharp left before exiting the cave (equal).
Dragon Cave : jumping exit shortcut (equal) jump before mountain skip (1 frame gained) jumping before the rock before the bridge (2 frame gained) jump cancel airtime on the bender after the bridge (1 frame gained).
Deadly Fall : jumping after landing moguls (1 frame gained) bert mogul strat (0,5 frame gained) no release Z alcove (0,5 frame gained) mattador jump (0,5 frame gained) short jump pillar (1 frame gained).

idk much about this , i will now go for another race history than i think its could be good to work , and came back to mountain village 58 , thanks for the information!

little message to explain :

this is a Repost of the crystal lake Speedrun.com history i did for the community , i did also many modifications included an actualization of the history and a part of the multisegment work , hope you enjoy it!

Crystal lake history : the primary , the legend and the revolution.
From scratch to everything , in 1080 , you have usually your favorite course , crystal peak for his zigzag route and his moguls , golden forest for his bridge , moutain village for his cave , dragon cave for his mountain skip and deadly fall for his famous alcove.
But here , this is not like that , this course , is the most famous one on the game , the most popular , the most running , the most legendary.
His history is big as fun , considered as one of the most easiest but also liked race , all 1080 players knows all of him. His music , his line , his shortcut…
Today , me , Sonata , a tool assisted player of 1080 snowboarding , gonna present you the history of the first race on the game : crystal Lake.
1/ the Genesis.
1080 snowboarding born in 1998 on the Nintendo 64 , and , already , the plans for a speedrun game was on the point. After Quake revirments and the beginning of the highest era of running games.
The oldest race submitted on the leaderboard was played on 2001 , his name ? Ron_Klijn , getting a 1min02sec46ms. Yeah , the first one was a perfect record on crystal lake , his race is amazing , getting all of the acnowledged strategy on the runs , he understood all , the jumps , the shortcut , perfectly :

And his record was standing first for…16 years right now ! anything could stopped ron about the world record. But , many of them trying to pull out his place.
The first one was Mahrla , he’s the second person getting the famous 1min02 seconds. Also known as the best wave race 64 PAL player. He trying to pull out his best effort into the game , and reach another strategy to get him divided by another principe to take the shortcut on the middle of the race :

The second player : Sage327 , pulling out a 03sec on crystal lake and was the second to follow mahrla strategy:

But… that wasn’t enough , Ron races simingly to perfect, too difficult to beat him , or even tryna to do the same like him. And , 6 years after Mahrla records on crystal Lake , the game started to change , and many other players comes to her propers views on the game.
Another speedrunner : brylarke , crushing out the point of Mahrla records and getting a 83ms on Crystal lake on June 2012 , he tries to follow the most difficult path on the game , and he was able to pass the shortcut removing the jump control :

The second one : ZG , one of the famous Ocarina of time speedrunner tries to shows his skills to determine another good record , he tied Mahrla and follows the same route as him :

And the last one : articfox pulling out the first .86 on the game , liking all of 1080 series and one of the best trick attack player , he gives his best on crystal lake and manage to pull of a good record on.
But , all of this records wasn’t sufficient to manage at least a closing rank to The primary Ron , until 2013.
2/ the new ERA.
In 2013 to 2015 , many brands new players came to the game and started to grinding to pull of the record of Ron Klijin. CMV , after few months grinding , tied the famous mahrla second best record on the leaderboard, he’s the fourth one taking the shortcut without jumping:

After CMV submission on the leaderboard , all of the concept of crystal lake change and they follow the ultimate goal to manage to put their record on the top of the board.
And finally , the 1min.02sec and 83ms was beaten.
The guy ? TheLuge , the famous world record on the novice mode and holding them even today in RTA timing. The concept and the improvment ? in the shortcut , he was the first to pass on directly without jumping and turning on , also , he manage to pull of a closed session on the sided bash left before finishing , and he got 1/02/70ms , beating mahrla famous 2nd best record by 13ms , a big improvment :

https:/​/​www.​speedrun.​com/​1080snowboarding/​run/​pzgn4vjy

But , this second place just stayed in since 3 months. A new players , a new man tries to face of with Ron legendary records , he shows , by a video proof , the strategy to be very closed on the top of the course , he was the first to jump before taking the shortcut , the first to jump on the fallen path , and also , the first guy to be closed to the summit : BarraNZ by 1/02/50 :

Barra messed up the tied world record , another year addded to ron world record , he gets the top 10 at this time on the oldest world record standing. And after that , for 4 years , anyone could pretend to get the same time as ron. But we could notice many players trying another strategy.
Bonus section : the Tahoe party :
Two racers : Yu_ and green alex.
The first one , yu ; japanese player ; playing with the second best board on the game , after that , he pull of the sub .80 :

And , a little surprise for me , because he was the best french player on the 1080 speedruns community but also the best Dion blaster player : green_Alex. He plays with the most known character , and , pull of a sub .03 on the game , following almost the perfect race and show to everyone that : even if you play a bad character : you can produce miracles !

3/ 2017 : the legend came on : Hayate.
Basically a star fox 64 and yoshi’s story player, Hayate410 , aka hayate , was a former japanese player who gets many records on the 1080 series , mostly in avalanche who helded the WR in the hard, expert and extreme mode on it , he also hold the any% WR which means he’s the best player on the 1080 avalanche game.
But , he also manage to pull of many other wortld record on 1080 snowboarding , before the last year , he has 7/10 WR on the game , mostly the 6 races on level leaderboard.
But the most significant was on crystal l ake.
On the 13march2017 , hayate was officially the first person tied ron_klijn world record on crystal lake , his record has 16 years difference than the oldest one : yeah , hayate got the famous .46 on the race.
Trying to keep up on the novice mode and the advantegeous frame at the beginning , his skill was shown for the plebs and a perfect play was demonstrated in front of us. And , even today , we considered this record as the most wonderful one. After this day , the legend came on.
So , after that , anyone could predict what will happen on the future , a tribute to the legend was obiviously normal to do , but , the game himself doesn’t accept his limit , how ? 2 brand new players , came on , and provocate a revolution of 1080 snowboarding level.
4/ Lommasloman : the king .
Speak about the second one : LommasLoman , at the beginning of his speedrunning , he was only after Deadly fall world record with his brother Phalaer. But he also , in second plan , trying to pull of Crystal lake route.
He started to grind and he got easily 1/02/66 for his first record , placed 5th on the leaderboard. But he wasn’t satisfied and he push fowarded to the game , after 1 month , he got the famous .50 and tied barraNZ and after that , he was convinced to get the world record on crystal lake.
He finally came to a presurre and find the way to tied the famous players getting 46 on it. But…
He got a fast progression after grinding a lot. Saving one frame to the end, Lomasloman was the second one beating ron klijn 17 years old world record and getting a .43 thanks to his consistency and a very low margin mistakes , but , that also wasn’t enough.
18july2018 , Lommasloman was the second one getting the miraculous .40 on Crystal lake , tied the WR in this occasion , and he ‘s today considered as the second best player on the game :

5/ MrP86 : the ace.
As known as a Melee speedrunner , MrP86 see an opportunity to play on 1080 snowboarding again after december 2016 replaying on it. But , after started it , he was rarely beaten.
He gets one year ago a .63 on crystal lake , his first record on it include a top 4 on the leaderboard , and , when i saw that at this time , i knew that’s gonna be , for sure , a WR destroyer.
One month after his record , in few grinds , he was able to tied ron klign famous .46 on crystal lake. Yeah , no joke , he tied in one month a 18 years old record. What happens after that was easily anticipated. but , few times later , 10april2018 , an earthquake appeared on the leaderboard. The ron_klijn record , holded for 17 years , the first one , was beaten by him w/ the first 1/02/43.

But , Lommasloman , with all of his skill , manage to tied him again , and MrP86 wasn’t done. In July , he got the first .40 on the game , a less consistency , more risky and perfect shortcut pass was the key to his times.

So after that , we could say « ok , this is the end , this is the limit of 1080 ». if he was here , he probably said « no » , but , he prefers to show us the true sense of what the quintessence of 1080 player could be : he got 1/02/37 on crystal lake in 1august2018.

He could beat the famous record on ron klijn and w/ a few grind session , he was able in 4 month to show us the ultimate 1080 player.
but , an event happen , between august and september , he goes for the 33 on crystal lake notably after seeing this possibility on the TAP project. but , by a beautiful run , one of thousand in life , he was managed to pull of a 1/02/30. but his capture card video badly failed and not recorded it.

he decided to continue playing even after what happens , and get dissapointedely a 1/02/33.

after that , he still continue to play on and hoping to reach out the 30 , but a new strategy , the sonata bonk , finally give him the 1/02/30 much easier.

6/Mattador : the Joker.

Mattador is a runner of 1080 Snowboarding and a pokemon snap player beginning to work on Crystal lake , crystal Peak , and deadly fall , he is known notably to get some top 3 quicly on the game and actually tied Bert86 1/02/30 crystal lake and 1/06/89 Deadly fall World Record :

7/ to conclude.
Today , the record of MrP86 still ahead with mattador, it probably required a unique sense of the game , lommasloman is on the hit to play on crystal lake again. Maybe this could be him , maybe bert will get the 1/02/27. Maybe phalaer will give it a shot , maybe hayate or ron will came back…or maybe , an unknown player will show to everyone what is the perfect time .

8/Bonus story : Sonata, the rookie player.
My story is a bit short but i would like to give you my experience on this race.
I started in july to grind crystal lake races after ecounter LommasLoman and MrP86 on the discord 1080 servers. I got in the middle of the month my first 1/02/79 and i was happy w/ this score.
In september , i started twitch streaming and the two best player came on it and give me some advice , i grinding a lot and i finally save 6ms on my race , which means 1/02/73.
I was basically a full game player and not consistent , but one of my dream was to tied the famous .46 , even if he was beaten by the two players.
So for 1 month , i started to grind one day per week and i got , thanks to the jump on the shortcut , a new record on crystal lake. 1/02/70.
I was happy about it , because i knew after that i could approach my goal , and i got in 2 sessions a .66 and a .56.
Because of my lack experience , i was about to give up this race , mostly because i run on the wii u version , but also because i see more difficulty appears on it.
So i relaunch a relax stream to speak with the other players about this , and i got fastly a .66. at this time , MrP86 advice me to save the ghost probably to restart at a weak point and get the .50. that wasn’t bother me , so i said why not.
And it finally happens.
In the second try , i remeber it all. I pass on the shortcut and the ghost was far away behind me , in the snow route , i take the risky to push my stick to the left and i did that perfectly. I was concentrated and when i pass the finish line. I see my record.
1/02/46. I immediatly popoff.
I popoff because one of my dream was realised , i screaming « YEEEEEEEEEEESSSSSSSSSSSSSS ! » that because this record was true !
So , for the moment , i didn’t beat that , but i don’t care honestly , a 4th place on the leaderboard isn’t the problem , the best to retain that , is , for the first time , i rejoin the elite.
After that , i got a 1/02/43 in time attack 3 months later , beating the old Ron Klijn time which stay 18 years the best time on the run. (And the 1/02/33 after testing match race but badly not recorded it).
After quitting the community and goes studying , i came back with another idea after retouching the game i stopped playing until 3 months : Tool assisted player (TAP) (or Human TAS if you prefer).

8.1/ the TAP work.
I began this project in july 16th 2019 , at this time , the world record for crystal lake was 1/02/37 by bert and mattador. After finished my first race at this form (mountain village 1/28/40) , i decided to go for crystal lake notably to verify if something could be improved. Notably aimed for a 1/02/33 , which was considered as the best possible time at this moment.
I started to play and got a 1/02/40 for a blind run , and my first 37 after that. At this moment , we knew playing match race is faster by a frame , so we can estimate with that at least all of my work in crystal lake could be improved by a frame , but technically perfect on time attack.
i started the race , and saving half a frame to the turner before the bender , and another half frame to the cliff jump , i continued the race and push foward to keep my advance safe. And in 2 hours , i finally managed to pull off the 1/02/33.
That was wonderful in part ! , even if its not a legit time , i discovered the fact of crystal lake can be improved to another time , and i was convinced this time is the best to reach out.
After finishing the other TAP , i goes back to crystal lake to see if something could be improved , the shortcut and the end of it was for me a clue , it took me 5h to reach it , and i managed to pull of the 1/02/30.
But that wasn’t enough , at least for me.
Few years ago , some players talked about the fact of 1/02/27 could be the best crystal lake possible time but the skill to pull it would be completely crazy to get.
I go back to my game , and started to go of this, i saved half a frame on the first jump cancel , but that wasn’t enough to pull of the 27. So i tried to be clutch to the right before the cliff , and saved a fraction of frame instead of perform the loman carve.
The clue was finally to the shortcut. Basically , to pass it , you have to release Z for an instant and repush it before landing to the platform , and goes for the little path to enter on the shortcut.
But i decided to try out to NOT release Z here , and at this time , i was a full frame ahead.
I passed out the shortcut , going sharp left , clutched the two rocks and the left sponsor bar , and finished the run.

1/02/27.

At this time, i was thinking about the fact of crystal Lake is definitively over and cannot be improved by any frames or path , the run i did at this moment seemed really perfect without any bad or useless mouvement. And the community started to aim an improvement of legit time or maybe tied my time. But Something big happen after that.
8.2/ the Sonata Bonk (or wallride).
I go back to crystal Peak after improved golden forest, my best time was 1/26/03 at this moment and i hoped to improve it by a frame notably to get the first 25 on it. When i reached the end of crystal peak , i was only half a frame faster than my ghost and tie dit many times. I was so deseperated than i decided to tried to get bonked by the wall left to the race , notably at the finish line. After 3 tries , i managed to save 1 frame and get the 1/25/99.
So after that , i know i can use this strategy also for crystal lake , because they had almost the same finish path. So i came back to crystal lake and tried to get the same bonk for it…
And i got it, 1/02/23 , probably one of the biggest discoveries i did on my TAP project.
But , 1 month later , i discovered the fact of this bonk save not 1 frame , BUT 2 !!
Gotten 1/25/93 on crystal peak , i go back once again in crystal lake , and in less than 1h , after all of this work on this race , all of the time i pulled on it , i managed to pull of something than no one could predicted few month ago : 1/02/20.

crystal lake history : by Sonata.

Thank you loman