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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

Jesus Christ; is this forum moderated at all? I know this is a young forum, but a lot of you behave like you are three years old. Holy.

Those of you that dislike this thread because of all the notifications, are the ones causing the notifications with your completely off-topic incessant spam. I can't even wrap my head around it... I have seen kindergarteners act more mature. If you didn't constantly bump this thread with nonsense and leave it to serious comments only it would be on page 2 in a week. But, I guess that is a more difficult concept to grasp than I thought? 🤦♂️

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

Originally posted by Griefless@NouNou well, that's a theory. You have 0 proof that he did it intentionally.
So keep your "opinions" out of facts. Yes. he did "cheat". Whether it was intentional or not doesn't matter anymore so idk why you'd bring it up unless you're trying to be toxic.
So, how about you hush and let people form their own opinions before you tell them it's fake.

For me personally, it's proven beyond a reasonable doubt. There are way too many holes in his story, and between choosing between doing what an innocent person would do and a guilty person would do he has repeatedly chosen the guilty option with conviction. Just like there is a one in a trillion chance Dream would get the drops he did without cheating, there is a one in a trillion chance Dream didn't do this with intent.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

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Dream posted a second Pastebin which was a lot more mature. He's still lying about the "oh, it was an accident and I had no idea for months!" thing, and this response doesn't vindicate his initial response, but I appreciate him improving on his tone.

Also, this forum clearly needs some tougher moderation. Even if this forum has a lot of kids, I would expect better behavior.

https://pastebin.com/F76HAfy0

Originally posted by DreamI thought I would write up this apology to the speedrun community / discord / mod team, as my document I posted on my twitter was more of an explanation than an apology and I felt the need to more directly apologize.

--- Speedrun Mods ---

I have spoken to many of the speedrun moderators in private and apologized in the past and recently for my behaviors back when the speedrun drama was going on. Although I won't make the specifics of these apologies public, I will directly apologize to them here. I'm sorry to the mod team for causing a shitstorm on Twitter and Youtube and elsewhere with my aggressive and condescending tweets and language. I have explained my mindset during the time period, but that doesn't justify or excuse any of my actions or words. I am truly sorry for the way that I reacted and wish that I could have controlled my emotions better. I'm sorry for any negative things this may have caused for you, I accept responsibility for not doing everything that I could have to prevent them. I can explain my mindset during these situations, but intention is not as important when there was a negative outcome due to my actions. I'm sorry, and I want to continue to make it up to the mod team in any way that I can.

I believe that Geosquare deserves my biggest apologies. I've spoken to Geosquare since, and we have made up with each other and are on good terms, I will not make the contents of our discussions public however I will apologize to him directly here. I'm sorry for the way that I acted towards you, as under no circumstances is that kind of behavior okay. Tweeting out for millions to see calling you a clout chaser and accusing your intentions of being vindictive couldn't have done anything but cause harm. I regret essentially everything that I said to you in private, and in public in the speedrun discord or in tweets. I was full of anger and fear and I let these emotions get the best of me while not at all caring about the effect my actions would have on you as an individual. Although this was almost a year ago, I'm sure that you still face problems today due to the size of my audience and the harshness of my words. I apologize and I want to make it up to you in any way that I can. Since this issue I have made an effort to better control my negative emotions, and be more clear and direct about avoiding hate and harassment. I hope that these are things that can be noticed, and that I can continue to improve upon. Having a large audience means you have to be responsible with it, and I wasn't at all during the situation in December. I am sorry and although you have said you have forgiven me, I still feel terrible and hope that we can better our relationship going forward.

--- Speedrun Community ---

As a Youtuber, I always felt like a bit of an outsider to the speedrun community. I tried my best to promote top runners and make friends with speedrunners and participate in discussions in the discord and elsewhere. I tried to involve the community in competitions, and I tried to do my best to assist the mods with cleaning up the leaderboard from cheaters. I really wanted to be a part of the community because it was something that I loved doing and I really became attached to it. Even before the speedrun drama, there was an instance where I falsely accused a popular runner "Couriway" of cheating. There was a misunderstanding and I jumped the gun in saying something in their Twitch chat about doubts that I had regarding their recent run. I don't think I ever got a chance to apologize to them, so I just want to do so here. I'm sorry Couriway for incorrectly accusing you of cheating. I completely understand how that must have felt and I am extremely sorry. I should never have said something in your Twitch chat, and I should have completely left it up to the mods to do their jobs. I regret this and I regret not having apologized to you sooner. I won't attempt to justify my actions here, but I have added you back on discord and if you would like to chat more about it I am completely willing.

As for to the community, I know that due to this situation being one of the biggest dramas that Minecraft has ever had, it brought a lot of hate and strife to the community. I contributed directly to this by arguing with people in the discord and on twitter, and fueled fans of mine by saying hateful things. I am sorry for this. I understand being doubtful of my explanation, and don't think it's unreasonable to assume that I am being dishonest. While I was not aware that I was running any disallowed modifications, that is completely my fault. I should have been much more reasonable and level headed and done my duty as someone submitting a run to the leaderboards. I explained my mindset during this situation in the other paste, but I want to make it clear that it was not at all a justification or a way of excusing the things that I said or did. Although I believe that there was poor communication on both sides, at the end of the day it is completely my responsibility to make sure that any run I submit has integrity and I failed to do so. I was completely in the wrong, and I argued like an idiot for months not wanting to even explore the fact that I could be. I tunnel visioned and because of that, I ended up arguing an unintentional lie and causing harm to people who were just trying to be fair. This could have been for many reasons, but I blame my ego and the fact that sometimes I just can't accept when I'm wrong. There is no one to blame but myself, and I take responsibility for that. The way I used my influence while saying negative and aggression provoking things was not okay at all and something that I am ashamed of. Since almost a year ago, I have been doing my best to reflect on this and improve as a creator that is new to the spotlight. I have nothing but respect for the mod team, speedrunners and the speedrun community. You are not obligated to forgive me or to accept my apology in any way, but I am sorry for the damage that I caused and wish that I could go back and change the way things went. I like to think that I have had a positive impact on Minecraft speedrunning overall, but that's wishful thinking including the stain that this situation put on the community. I am sorry.

I took all of my runs that I have ever submitted down from speedrun.com personally myself, including the ones that were still up and verified. I also messaged a member of the mod team requesting that I be banned from submitting runs in the future even though I was told before that this wouldn't happen. I think that is a fair result, and I have no plans on submitting runs in the future and haven't since October of last year and since my run was removed. I never intended any harm to the community and I still want the speedrun community to flourish as much as it can. I pledged to donate money I made from the response video to speedrunning, and I did to a live speedrunning tournament that featured a lot of the top runners last month, Break The Record Live. One of my goals since joining the community was to try and help speedrunners turn speedrunning from a hobby into a livable job, and I tried to accomplish that by frequently raiding, donating to, and bringing up runners throughout the community. I still plan to do that, and although I know money doesn't show intentions, I would like to pledge an additional $50,000, that I will be donating to speedrunners of all sizes from the Minecraft community on Twitch over the next month or so.

The reason that I decided to make the post that I did the other day was to provide closure to the community on an issue that should have been resolved almost a year ago. I hope that this accomplishes that if even a little bit. Again, I am sorry to the mod team and the community for all the problems that came from this drama and hope to continue improving as an individual.

- love dream

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

Originally posted by Merl_Arguing about dream isn't against site rules

Either you are being intentionally obtuse or you are just not reading things properly. Temp bans were clearly not with regards to the topic itself. Here, verbatim, just for you: "That sounds like an issue with immature forum participants, _not the topic_."

@SSG_Yeetboi_2010SSG_Yeetboi_2010 Or just don't click the topic. Nobody is making you read every post or every thread but yourself.

@ItsShadzItsShadz I don't remember signing anything of the sort.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

Originally posted by Merl_I wish you had never made this thread.

Good for you.

That sounds like an issue with immature forum participants, not the topic. You warn people for misbehaving; you don't censor topics because people can't behave. If they don't listen, temp-ban them. Simply censoring topics as a first solution is an incredibly poor management style.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

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There's no legitimate reason to lock this thread (other than you spamming it and intentionally trying to derail it). It's a pretty big topic to this board.

If you just stopped spamming it with irrelevant nonsense and nobody else had anything of value to add any longer, it would fall to the bottom of the forum. If you don't care about the topic, don't click on it. Nobody is forcing you to read every single post on the forum.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

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I especially found it hilarious how one of his replies to the accusation of using a mod to cheat in last year's Pastebin was "oh, but I don't even know how to make mods!" when he (as he also discloses in this post) had his own dev hired to make mods for him at this very time, including a mod that was capable of doing _the exact thing he was accused of_. His excuse about the mod initially only working in multiplayer is also completely horse-shit based on how Fabric works - the single-player client contains both a logical client and logical server and does not need any additional modification to "enable" a mod to work in a "single-player" world (a physical client). They simply work. It's just a word soup he put together to create a "plausible" narrative.

He knew exactly what he was doing.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

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Those that actually believe Dream's new narrative - you are very gullible. This is clearly an attempt to squirm his way out of the situation with the "best bet"-excuse. These weren't mistakes. He knew what he was doing. His initial animosity is pretty telling in and of itself, and not the acts of an innocent person.

He's been thinking about what excuse to make up for the past 6 months and this is the best he could do.

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Forum: Minecraft: Java Edition

Thread: Dream finally admits to cheating

Started by: NouNouNouNou

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Additionally, he seems incredibly salty his older 1.15 runs also got removed yesterday. I am sure that must have been one of the triggers for him posting this. I hear there are also rumors there could be evidence coming to support the removal of these runs?

I don't even really see the point of bringing up the mods, either, I must say. More than half of his textpost is how much he dislikes the mods, when he's the problem. Maybe just don't cheat next time. 🙂

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