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Forum: Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen

Thread: Questions

Started by: Sforzand0Sforzand0

Was my mistake for skipping through the videos and missing the important details. Is nice to have start and end timing be consistent across all categories. I'd say it makes sense to change Dragons Haven start timing. Only 7 approved runs. I can retime them myself. Youtube only slows to 1/4 the play speed but is enough if I can't get a hold of any runners for the video files.

Dragondarch is active on Twitch so I'm fortunate there. He posted about not wanting to submit his faster 100% Youtube time because it wasn't sub-2 hours. Perhaps I can have him reconsider.

I understand the lack of fairness when the runner, including your Dragons Havens submission, wasn't trying to optimize the name entry originally. I think the best option is to keep timing after name entry as a Misc category and make a New Game timing category as a main one. Still compare new runs with Misc and add them in. Slight benefit for Japanese-version players since their "Fireseal" is 8 characters (ファイアクレスト) and requires scrolling past Hiragana.

No one person owns a community and if the active size of 2-4 wants consistent timing rules and better 100% rules that follow precedent, I think it's hard to argue otherwise.

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Forum: Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen

Thread: New Fireseal run is improperly timed.

Started by: DragondarchDragondarch

2 years later but I'm new here. Right, rules posted time from after entering the name to inflicting final hit. To be precise, "final hit" has and should continue to be when boss starts to disintegrate. I share Dragondarch's issue with timing. Should start on New Game button press.

Additionally, Albeleo after defeat has 3 text boxes to press through and a dexterous/lucky player could be a few frames faster than another. I'd like all categories to have consistent timing. Start on New Game button press and end on "Congratulations" being displayed to account for the Albeleo text. Not a big deal if argument to keep final hit remains. More important to track time for entering "FIRESEAL" as it is a bigger dexterity test.

 

Forum: Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen

Thread: Questions

Started by: Sforzand0Sforzand0

@Krayzar Thanks for responding! I went back and watched all the runs when a Clearing Slums of Zenobia b Getting Key of Destiny c Getting Garnet:

-Dragondarch recruits Lyon around 1h 33m after getting the Garnet
-Brootus recruits Lyon around 58 min on Key of Destiny trip
-alraedris recruits Lyon around 1 hour on Key of Destiny trip
-GreenMixTape does not recruit Lyon

Actually, GreenMixeTape run has extremely annoying screen shaking. Had over 100k goth when 7 League Booting to Lyon's city and still didn't recruit. Would have been faster to 'boot' to Debonair's castle as it's closer to the Key. No need to adjust time because recruiting Lyon would have added no delay and the 5k could be paid without impacting the route.

Easy then to require that Deneb, Ashe and Lyon be recruited on a 100% World run. No existing run is invalidated and follows precedent. Of course, Deneb is the only skill test and adds much entertainment. Ashe has boss dialogue with Debonair and ending dialogue on Sun/Moon. Hard to justify excluding him, even if skipping Lyon is allowed. I also think 100 Reputation / Chaos Frame ("100 PT" in rules) should not be required but will probably always be earned anyway.

Rules
Edit: Let's go with Dragondarch's posted rules, with Lyon counting. Also a 2007 SDA post where he argues for recruiting Lyon and Deneb.

Timing
I would prefer time stop be when "Congratulations" is displayed versus inflicting final blow. Minor point but it makes some difference in Dragons Haven because Albeleo has 3 post-fight text boxes to tap through.

Finally, something to be said that Dragondarch's 2h 18h 8s run listed on the Leaderboard was removed, probably by his own design, and his 100% 1st Place of 2h 1m 56s isn't listed.

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Forum: Ogre Battle: The March of the Black Queen

Thread: Questions

Started by: Sforzand0Sforzand0

Hello, I created an account to contribute. The historic problem with this game is that essentially every mechanic and ending requirement has been shrouded in darkness. There is a Japanese website called carbuncle that spells out the requirements. @Krayzar World ONLY needs:

- 3 Mystic Treasures, 12 Zodiac Stones, Tristan, Rauny
- Reputation/Chaos Frame + Opinion Leader's ALI >= 110, since 15 points are guaranteed by the first line

100% best ending (World) requirements can be debated. Complete all stages, of course. Would be nice to have all boss-hero and Gawain dialogue but can understand leaving out. What about Ashe, Deneb and Lyon?

Ashe only appears in Sun/Moon endings while Deneb and Lyon never affect the ending. Brootus' 2:10:24 and Dragonarch's 2:01:56 Youtube runs (2:18:08 Leaderboard run no longer exists) recruit Ashe and Deneb but skip Lyon, despite him only taking a few additional seconds. Costs 20k goth during stage and only 5k goth after. I think a 100% run has to recruit all three for max entertainment OR skip all three, if aiming for fastest time to trigger all World ending dialogue.

Also, I erased all recruitable heroes and sold the Mystic Treasures and Zodiac Stones on my PS1 file to degrade World into Sun. Confirmed Lans takes Ashe's place in ending if not in army.

Each tarot could have its Any% category but only Devil and Death have interesting gameplay and endings that aren't imperfect Worlds. I'd like to see a Fireseal item, Glass Pumpkin, Saga, Durandal, Sonic Blade, say, obtain all unique items run. Requires manipulating an item drop for Euros. Would also like a "max evil" run that trades the Zodiac Stones for 99 Dream Crowns on Musplem.

@Sforzand0 As for playing on an SNES Classic, I only see that category for games that come bundled. Obviously requires running a hack on the device then installing the ROM. Seems fine as regular SNES EMU entry.

Worth noting the Sega Saturn Japanese only version. Has 5 additional stages, including one that is a one-shot campaign like Dragons Haven with a new ending – Justice. Rest of stages available in a single playthrough by recruiting Deneb, Slust, Fenril, obtaining the 12 Zodiac Stones and 600k goth.

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