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Forum: Speedrunning

Thread: Flaws in speedrunning

Started by: MasterLeoBlueMasterLeoBlue

I guess people would rather call me a doggface instead of bringing actual logical rebuttals. No wonder speedrunning is as flawed as it is. You're so content in your ignorance.

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Forum: Speedrunning

Thread: Flaws in speedrunning

Started by: MasterLeoBlueMasterLeoBlue

I joined the Speedrunning community a few months ago and I must say that there are some big flaws
in the system. I'll first start by addressing my biggest problem with the system and go from there

1.Merging different versions in the same category
I started speedrunning by running Toy Story 2 on Psone. On the TS2 leaderboards, they merge all
versions (PS,PC,DC,N64) into the same categories. PC is by far the fastest. Some people would argue
that speedrunning is about going fast. But this is the flaw in this kind of thinking. If the different
versions are all compared to one another by putting them on the same board, and speedrunning is
about going fast, then why don't you ban the slower versions? What is the point of even having them
there if they are just going to be inferior? You should just say "Here's the PC version, if you don't run
it then don't speedrun this game at all".

2.Allowing version specific glitches
Going back to TS2, there is a clip that allows you to skip the basement in Andy's House. It's
exclusively on the N64 version. There's a similar clip on PC where in Penthouse you go from the
kitchen directly to the bathroom and save 20 or so seconds. Moving to another game I decided to
speedrun, 102 Dalmatians, there is a glitch that is exclusive to the Psone version that saves a couple
MINUTES! But they recently merged the PC and Psone versions because the PC's load times are
faster. As if that somehow makes up for it. The PSone is still the superior version by far. All merging
the two versions did was make the PC version not stand a chance.

3.Modding PC but not modding console
This is the most confusing part of the speedrunner's mentality. Why are you able to mess with your
computer's guts but you aren't able to mess with your console's guts? This is possibly a result of
bias towards the PC versions of games. You might say that PCs are meant to be modded. In which
case I say PC versions should probably be banned all together. Since the hardware can vary so
greatly. And many people might not even be able to run PC games of a certain era. This creates an
inclusive environment in the speedrunning community. A mentality that basically says "If you don't
have the PC version then don't even speedrun"

So I'd like to recap for people that might be overwhelmed at this point

1.People say that speedrunning is to go fast.
2.Generally, the PC version is the fastest version.
3.So why include any other version on the leaderboards?

1.Multiple versions are merged
2.Some versions have version exclusive glitches
3.Creates an innacurate leadboard

1.PC can be modded to be the best version of any game
2.Consoles can't even compete because you can't mod them
3.Why even include any other version if
A)The point of speedrunning is to go fast
B)PC is the fastest version

Solutions
1.Make every version into it's own sub category
2.Ban every version except for PC

Of course one is more logical than the other

I'll leave you with this. I'm not attacking anyone. I'm just pointing out what I see. You can make what
you can of these and maybe you can correct me on some of these.

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