@UNICOY

Originally posted by UNICOYThis is literally the last reply to this because I refuse to believe you are being serious. You are either trolling or I don't know.

YOU my friend, must be the one trolling, you come here, from what i see, with zero interest on speedrunning the game and just start ranting about the rules and demanding changes, here some fresh news to you, no one called you here.

Originally posted by UNICOYBut just looking at your ego with that "Best brazilian speedrunner on Speedrun.com" and your way to reply and take opinions as insults is just pathetic

And i am, i'm the best Brazilian speedrunner, not because of WRs, but i'm the hardest worker around, moderating leaderboards daily, speedrunning multiple games, teaching newcomers and always interacting with the community, until you find someone who pushes as hard as i do, i'll be on 1st place. You don't like egotistic people? I'll say to you that's nothing but confidence.

Originally posted by UNICOYAlso, amazing way to approach to someone being passive-agressive, as a MOD.

I'm not a mod here, just a verifier, i don't make the changes here, but i'm definetely the one with the most reasonable solution, cause by looking at it, i'm pretty sure none of you two never seriously moderated a leaderboard before. Maybe was not an insult after all, but is definetely a bad attitude of you people for not getting what you want.

Originally posted by UNICOYAt least you now recognized that the traps affect the IGT and RTA differently.

I ALWAYS KNEW THAT, are you blind to not see that i said this YEARS ago?

Originally posted by UNICOYAvoiding the traps and stage fatalities are almost impossible.You either end up performing it on a bot by mistake, or you end up getting caught in one, even fatalities are sometimes triggered by mistake. Why would you ban something that's part of the game? Just use RTA, simple as that.

By saying that just shows how you NEVER even tried to speedrun the game before.

Originally posted by UNICOYdo you think that's fair to the guys who already submitted their runs and used the traps and the fatalities? You are just going in circles.

Simple, just add new rules stating: Runs prior (date) are excused from these rules and there you go, we will not even need to touch any of the currently verified runs.

Originally posted by UNICOYUse RTA and do NOT count loading times so no one will be affected.

MY GOD DUDE! IGT ALREADY DOES THAT! You don't like the fact that IGT is manipulable? LET'S NOT MANIPULATE IT THEN! What's so goddamn hard to understand?

Originally posted by UNICOYManipulating the IGT so you get less time than the real one is not part of finishing a game as fast as possible.

I DON'T agree with manipulating IGT either!!

Originally posted by UNICOYWell, keep working with the current IGT so you don't have to go through a lot of work

The only difference of using IGT w/o manipulation and RTA w/o loads, is that by using RTA we would need to take out every single loading screen from every speedrun submission, if we use IGT then just calculate Blaze's fight as RTA and add to the IGT and that's it!

@Epica

Originally posted by EpicaYou don't want to understand what I'm saying, or you are just stupid

Nah, your ideas are just stupid, they are complete nonsense to what a competitive timing method should look like.

I'm here again. Let me explain everything with details now, cus I see you are not able to understand.

@Epica and @UNICOY
If you guys want RTA w/o loads, then just use IGT w/o making fatalities neither using Yellow Marks, the final time result will literally be the SAME thing.

@Epica
IN-GAME TIME IS NOT THE PROBLEM, if he gets stopped by making Fatalities, DON'T DO A FATALITY THEN!
The reason i'm saying "just keep Death Traps" it's because they save time no matter what, something that Fatalities and Yellow Marks only benefit for IGT, which i DON'T agree using.

Originally posted by EpicaWhat are Speedruns? Its like finish the game AS FAST AS POSSIBLE.

Let me correct you here, it's completing an objective on a game as fast as possible, not necessarely finishing it.
So thank you for the lesson, but i'm not a beginner on speedrunning, i know what i'm doing here.

Originally posted by EpicaYou don't want to make w/o loads cus you are lazy? Why you moderating?

We can debate how much you want, but calling insults like that will not get you anywhere here, in fact, people will be ignoring you overtime.

Originally posted by EpicaWhy is this needed? To make this load more fair to everyone, simple as that.

What part of "Using IGT, so regardless the version, console spec and Disc integrity you will always get the same time as everyone else, so it makes 100% fair and practical for everyone" you guys don't understand?

Originally posted by UNICOYPerforming an instant kill (stage fatality) stops the IGT, not the RTA. Of course that performing those save time in both ways, but only the IGT stops.

Still, i don't see why not having death traps since it saves time on both sides.

Originally posted by UNICOYAnd about the RTA, it's not inconsistent at all. As I said before, you should NOT consider loading times for the final time since the game it's hardware dependent when it comes to this matter. This means that ONLY the fights would count towards the real time.

That's misleading, we gotta decide which is the best choice, is it IGT or RTA? Cause if we should not consider loading times that makes RTA useless, loading times ARE included in RTA. Also, you will notice loading differences depending on your hardware spec (ex: a PS2 JPN SCPH-90k is generally faster than a PS2 US SCPH-70k) which is also a thing if your Disc is scratched. My point is, if the game offers an accurate IGT and we can use it in a way to make everything fair and square for everyone, then why not using it as the main timing method? I vow to keep the the way it is, having IGT as the main competitive time and RTA as secondary.

Originally posted by UNICOYOn the other hand, if the different versions of the game differ from each other, then there should be different categories, one per version.

I agree with that. To conclude, i think the only rule change we need is "Using Fatalities to manipulate IGT is prohibited".

I agree with some of that, saving IGT with fatalities is nonsense indeed, but Death Traps (Stage Fatalities) saves time on both IGT and RTA and for that i consider keeping Death Traps.
I completely disagree with using RTA over IGT, RTA is the most inconsistent timing method on 3D MKs as it can vary depending on your hardware (ex: Xbox has a slower RTA than PS2) and also has massive difference between a real hardware and emulator, so using RTA as the main timing method (in this case) is beyond stupid.

Well, i mean, In-Game Time always have less time than RTA.

The manual timing is about Blaze's fight only, so the runner can do it and just add in to the IGT.

Hey @Epica.

So, let's break this down in a few topics:

1. It's not the RTA that define positions but the IGT, look up to the Arcade (PS2/Xbox) 1st and 2nd places, you will notice there.
2. About Blaze's fight, it's only added the round times, not the whole fight, which is in fact inaccurate and i don't have any problems with retiming all runs if needed.
3. For the IGT calculation may seem weird at first but is effective, one interesting thing about the IGT is the way we can manipulate it (using death traps and fatalities as you said) and i believe prohibiting this kind of thing (for this MK in specific) would not be a good thing, you see, speedruns of MK Armageddon are not that attractive and/or impressive to watch, so we have to show at least something different rather than just punch the floor with Goro for 8 minutes straight.

At last, i agree with a small change about Blaze's fight calculation, but i don't see any other change being required.

Edit: Although, it's up to the moderators to decide.

Hello, 2 months ago i was added here: https://www.speedrun.com/Mortal_Kombat_X as regular mod, the current super mod (Shade667) has been inactive for +3 months, many contact attempts we're made but no result and some people came to me asking if there was going to have any changes/new categories on the board. I don't see major changes as regular mod being an ethical attitude, so i'd like to be "promoted" to Super Mod role.

Thank You!

Sim há diferença notável, o problema de separar a leaderboard é que tornaria mais bagunçada do que ja é, por conta do layout da speedrun.com não possibilitar a flexibilidade necessária, por isso a referência de recordes mais precisa é aqui: http://re4central.com/leaderboard/

Infelizmente isso se tornou uma realidade para runners de HD Console, é de fato um sistema pay-to-win e isso não só no RE4, se quer os melhores loadings em console, é no Xbox One X.

Edit: A diferença no PS4 especificamente NÃO é um fator determinante, apenas se torna relevante caso o console possua um SSD instalado.

Edit 2 (lol): A moderação já trabalha na reformulação da board, para que cada console tenha suas categorias específicas e torne tudo 100% justo.

That's misleading, because the only character that actually has a speed strat is Kotal Kahn and by playing with him you can spot the difference between a speedrun and a casual gameplay, something that not occurs with other characters. I was thinking about adding " only 1 Round per fight" subcategory for both Story and Klassic Tower, so it makes everything twice as fast.

Edit: Nevermind, just made a few tests and it's not possible to play 1 round on both categories.

Hello eveyone,

Not many of you may have noticed, but the leaderboard got a few less records than before and the reason for that is now we will have monthly submissions verification, so those who do not have their video proof available anymore will get their runs rejected, that way we can keep the leaderboard 100% legitimate and avoid any kind of Todd Rogers situation.
If you are one of the runners that got your run rejected, please don't hesitate to resubmit your record with propper video proof.

Thank You.

Despite not having any run with it, the In-Game Time is the main timing method right? cause i got back into the game, but my PS2 is having really bad loading screens so there is no way i can beat my RTA.

@Tyler_Ry74 Yes, i'm currently having some ideas such as adding "Test Your Luck" and also accepting any suggestions for more categories. However, no major change was done yet, as i'm not a Super Mod so i don't see myself having enough power to do so. Some attempts we're made to contact the current Super Mod Shade667 but i got no response, i'm waiting until he's +3 months inactive to request a legit mod promotion OR bring him here to discuss some leaderboard changes with the community, feel free to suggest any category you see interesting!

Good discovery!

In fact, any kind of oob should be useless in Geoforge, but if is somehow replicable in other levels, it could definetely provide minutes of timesave indeed.

Still on that? ok, it's the last time, after that i'll have to speedrun some games, so here we go:

"Saying that most of the runners left the community is a gross exaggeration"

I didn't said "most of the runners" in the overall term, i was referring to those upon the circumstances of the new ruleset that decided to leave because of it.

"the ones that left the community were little in number & comprised of mostly runners we had our eyes on for cheating."

But never proved they were in fact cheaters.

"However we saw more runners remain & adapt than we saw leave."

Really? because the entire series seems pretty dead to me.

"Before you ask. No I don't have to provide evidence of that."

Yeah, you don't have to, because after all you are the supreme moderator that everyone has to agree and believe on what you say.

"Provide proof to you of my run times? Well here's the thing Kromer. You're not a moderator of the game in question & i'll point out, not even a runner of it. Why i should have to provide some sort of evidence of my top times to you yourself to essentially put your mind at ease?"

You are not proving your legitimacy just to me, but to everyone in here and inside the MK community, also "i'm not a runner of it"? did you realised that most part of the people in this thread never ran a MK game and still want to share they thoughts and opinions? should they be silenced just because they are not part of the community? and as i stated, all of this is NOT just about classic MKs.

"They know that my runs are legitimate."

Yeah, they (mod team) know, everybody else here don't, if this is not a Todd Rogers syndrome then i don't know what it is.

"The records that remained on the leader boards were never in question. If that helps you understand why some remained."

They didn't met the new rules, like i said, the rules are the rules, deal with it, they don't met it, they should not be in there, period.

"Do you know how many runs were being submitted daily? Do you know how many runs we combed through? no you don't."

No and i don't need to, it doesn't matter if was only 1 submitted run or 1000 runs, applying new rules and then rejecting is a good thing, but the fact that you accused runners (and great players) of being cheaters with no real proof is the real question, which you didn't gave an answer.

"You're not here to complain, you can offer a plethora of suggestions?"

I was, in fact i don't even care anymore because all of this got too much heated and toxic at this point and i'm not the spoiled brat i used to be years ago to throw out insults and stuff, now i'm a good runner that also has to provide good moderation for multiple communities. I know this will not lead to a reasonable agreement, but just for the record, i'm sure that having you out of your role would be the best thing for everyone.

"No thanks Kromer you see we already sorted it out & got a solution."

If "solution" for you is the one that fits your personal agenda then i'm pretty sure you got one.

"I however adjust & evolve with the speed run board as it becomes both popular & more competitive"

No it didn't, it's not more competitive, the last run approved for classic MK was 1 month ago, and i don't need to be a "MODERATOR" to see that.

"Now i ask that it ends here & you concentrate on the games that you actually run"

What? more MK games than you did? you are clearly calling me a "non community member" at this point and excluding me just because i don't agree with you.

And you can call all of this "hate campaign" or "personal attacks", i call it reality checks, and still you didn't managed to answer any of those 6 evidences i've numbered, bravo!
Even though i don't agree that much with your decisions, i still respect you as a person and i think we should stop here, this is not leading to any constructive debate, but just a childish fight, so just leave everything the way it is, case solved, i hope you stay good and provide the best for this community, i'm not answering anymore.

Peace! 😃

Thanks for adressing your side of the story Outworld, but here i'll point out some stuff i disagree.

"The entire community was given the chance to have input into this situation for over 14 days on a forum posted in the MK speedrun forums. It got no replies."

My message was the last one posted there and i suggested to have some admin consulting for that kind of decision, seeing how tough it would be, you guys didn't even gave me a feedback with your thoughts about it, just deleted the thread and that's that.

"We also encouraged runners to be patient as we made changes & carefully took into consideration each individual runner & his/her circumstances Some left anyway."

Nope, things went bad top to bottom and you guys knew it, most of the runners left the community because of the new ruleset, i'm not saying it was 100% negative, it wasn't, i actually agree with the addition of more legitimacy methods, but the ruleset elaboration could've been better and the final result less stricted to many runners.

"At no point was one of us acting alone. So to pin this directly on one moderator is just not cricket."

Well, you were taking all the public actions, leaderboard changes and thoughts, besides TheKombatKing that got into this overall situation, maybe just twice and then left. I think most people here didn't get it yet, but this whole situation is not just about MK3 but the entire MK franchise (Except MK X), all this time i was gathering some info about your moderation that i'll talk about later.

"Now considering that the closest thing the mod team has to a legit time before the new rule set was applied that was not taken into suspicion was one of my own runs, they're the times that remained & yes i do see how that could look really shady to some but i have made more of an effort to legitimise my runs than any runner the mod team can name. Live input display included."

Your record there is like anybody elses record, the game with a timer and that's it, i would be more than happy to have you putting your proofs on the table and show that your record is indeed legit, it's easy to say "the mod team can name" once the best decision regarding the rules is made for everyone inside the team, they will always agree with you no matter what happens.

"Ask yourself. Should we have deleted all the existing runs & started fresh? How many runners would we have seen leave the boards then? We had to stop somewhere. It was the most logical decision."

If you are willing to make things fair for everyone then yes, at the time none of anyones runs met those exact requirements, the rules are the rules, it also applies to you even if you are a mod. It was pretty easy to reject my records on MK Trilogy due to a ruleset update several months ago, why wouldn't be now? This is what disencourage people, the fact that the rules affected some records but not all of them and those records that remained there didn't followed 100% of the ruleset.

"I will point out the runs that were chosen to be rejected had been submitted by runners that we as moderators contacted and encouraged to further legitimise."

I'll ask you to show any proofs about your statement, that you had in fact contacted those runners, and it's not just one or two, at the time was nearly dozens of runners submitting runs, so please do it.

"the runners pushed us to a limit as WR times were being submitted daily by runners that were brand new to the scene with absolutely no evidence of prior practice, communication with the community etc."

That's simply not true, two of the most affected runners were 'BySpeed', he is a National Champion of UMK3 and arguably the best competitive player in the world, and the other was 'ParallaxMKChille', which has more hours playing MK than all of us combined, both have been dedicating themselves on MK over nearly a decade and both grinded +3 hours every single day and submitted multiple records played on livestream, it was in fact a top tier competition there and if you don't believe me, just check their social media, it has years of content.

Now i'll be pointing out some weird things that happened during 2018 that regards Outworld's behavior:

1. The runner 'HeatGaming' getting banned from MK Leaderboards for no apparent reason (https://imgur.com/tG1AQ7m).

2. The attempt of preventing me from submitting future records to the leaderboard (https://imgur.com/x7ghA6j) and yes, i did a 30 minute long video to my people about this situation and as mentioned in the printscreen, i had allegedly made 'personal attacks' to Outworld, which i didn't. So if this is not an attempt of censorship over me then i don't know what it is.

3. A sudden leaderboard change of Mortal Kombat Armageddon, that had my 1st place record splited from the rest with no explanation whatsoever, since the apparent reason for this was to have a subcategory between platforms, why Xbox and PS2 doesn't have their own? I'm feeling this was just to get me out of play.

4. Accusing other runners of making use of TAS by mentioning them as "TAS Warriors", clearly referencing BySpeed and Parallax, with not a single proof of it (https://imgur.com/tG1AQ7m).

5. I had a tutorial for Mortal Kombat: Shaolin Monks any% that i posted on the Guides Section of the game's leaderboard, hours after i realised it was not there and no one has the power to delete content of other people but the moderators themselves, and i know that TheKombatKing wouldn't do something like that. Even my wish of teaching speedrun is being denied.

6. The refusal of approving my runs (MK Deception and MK Gold, i even had to post a forum thread requiring the verification) as they were left pending for weeks, while you were almost daily active here aproving other peoples runs, but left the job to TheKombatKing with mine ones, now i ask you, if you are going to moderate a leaderboard where you don't even bother to verify runs, what you are doing there then?

To conclude, i'm not here to just complain about everything, i would love to offer a plethora of suggestions in order to make the ruleset better for everyone, but i'm pretty sure i would not be heard just like i wasn't heard back in the day. I guess we can all agree that something is wrong with the MK mod team decisions, that's my leave.

Thank You!

Hello Everyone,

I'm Kromer, i've been speedrunning Mortal Kombat games the past 2~3 years (5 years involved with speedrun in general).
Recently i experienced some moderation inactivity around this leaderboard, which encouraged me to request a spot in here. There will be a little bit of changes around here for the next few days (overall layout improvement and ruleset enhancement based on the community consulting). Any questions and concerns about me, my management methods or the leaderboard in general, don't hesitate to contact me, i'm daily active in speedrun.com and all my social media.

Thank You!

Question, what about emulator runs? allowed or any kind of restriction?

Put me as mod for this board, or just approve my pending run lol - https://www.speedrun.com/Mortal_Kombat_X

It has 2 moderators (cuboid9 and Shade667), cuboid9 is 1 year inactive, so i didn't even bother to contact him and Shade667 is inactive for about a month, i tried to contact him via Twitter almost a week ago and got no response, my run has been waiting for nearly 3 weeks to be verified. I guess i could be added as mod since i'm daily active here, thank you.

Just getting real quick into this situation, that's not the first time that MK moderators actions came to be questioned, i also had some grievances against their decisions and rule changes, as i had opened a thread several weeks ago where i called out the site admins and tried to explain the situation that was similar to this one, but everything just ended by itself, with no apparent solution since other people are also complaining about the same thing i was at the time.
For in-depth information about this case, i'll leave a Pastebin file that contains the text of a Discord PM i've sent to Pac at the time that all happened, he couldn't do anything about it, but i don't blame him, i actually thank him for having the time to at least reply the message:

https://pastebin.com/jBMXZQjV

Note: The file is 100% intact with not a single word changed and the MK Forum Thread linked on the Pastebin file is no longer available since the moderators erased it, but may be accessible to the admins.