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Forum: Hebereke

Thread: On the early history of Ufouria speedrunning

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

So, looking around here, I saw the World Record Progression page under Guides, with the note under Any% that "The early history of this category is very unknown". Well, sit down, make yourself comfortable, and let me tell you about the early history of it - because I am the early history of it! In the west, at any rate - no idea if there were any Japanese Hebereke runners prior to me running Ufouria.

Ufouria was one of the pivotal games of my childhood, so when I got into speedrunning in the early 2000s, it was one of the games I picked to run. This was in the medieval ages of speedrunning - no streaming, no game-centric communities, no cheap and easy capture devices. We had good ol' SDA, and I was the only one interested in running the game, so I had to come up with everything myself. The route, the strats, the tricks. It was kind of the forgotten Sunsoft game at the time - people were running Batman, Journey to Silius, even the holy-shit-this-is-expensive Gimmick, but Ufouria seemed to interest me and me alone. So in 2005, I mailed a VHS tape to nate containing three speedruns: Yoshi's Story, Chip 'n Dale: Rescue Rangers (which was historic for being the first 2-player run on SDA), and the first, as far as I know, recorded, uh, record of Ufouria.

Any%, deathless, in 41:40: http://speeddemosarchive.com/Ufouria.html

Yeah.

In a pre-Shades skip-world, there wasn't anything super wrong with the route in and of itself, except that I pick up Bop-Louie's secret weapon, but there were a lot of tricks missing. The major one in that one that I had discovered was the way to maintain your speed when walking with Freeon-Leon on ice. Hadn't even figured out the secret weapon switch glitch yet. Since the recording was on VHS tape, it was also a time when it was easier to let some mistakes slide. It's definitely not a run that could be considered good anymore, and not even just by today's standards - I wasn't satisfied with it myself just a few years later. But submitting an improvement was, at the time, problematic for me.

At the end of summer 2006, I moved to a different city to go to university. While I brought the NES with me, I no longer had any means of recording. No VHS, no DVD recorder, no capture device. It was at a NES meetup in the city I moved to very shortly after I had moved there to celebrate the 20th anniversary of the release of the NES in Sweden that the switch glitch was shown to me by someone else - I don't know who. So already there were possible improvements to be had. I just wasn't able to get a new run done.

So there turned out to be one more person who did something with the game - Blublu, who in 2004 had done a TAS I didn't know about (this was in the days before speedrunners and TASers were good friends), and that wasn't on TASVideos. He was the one who found the Shades skip, though he believed at first what he had found only worked because of running the PAL game in NTSC speed. He stopped working on it, until 2006, when Fihlvein demonstrated it as actually possible. Now, this wasn't done with today's crouch-walljump technique - no, it was done by finding that with precise subpixel positioning, you can make the jump after the ice cave with Bop-Louie. It was extremely precise, and I did manage to do it on console, but it was an extremely frustrating trick and the success rate in RTA was very, very low. In late 2006, Blublu resumed work on it, but dropped it. In early 2007, Adebis picked it up, and with comments and encouragement from myself and Blublu, finished and submitted the first Ufouria TAS to be published on TASVideos, any% with deathwarping, in October of 2008. It was still missing a number of tricks, but skipped Shades entirely, and then nothing much happened for about four years.

At ESA 2012, I made what appears to be the first recorded 100% run of the game, in 52:04: The route was supposed to be deathless, but marathons do what marathons do, and I took a death on Unyo. Still.

And then, in April of 2013, with Blublu's find of preserving Bop-Louie's velocity when swimming with Freeon-Leeon as the kickoff point, I found the light switch skip: Primitive method there, but easily the biggest timesave in the game since the Shades skip, which still was pretty TAS-only while this skip was very RTA viable. At this point in time, I did have a Dazzle for recording NES games, but I still never ended up getting a full run recorded and submitted.

At least I did end up improving my deathless any% record in another fashion - by doing it at ESA 2013, making the new WR at the time 35:58: Just before that, Aglar had also submitted an improved TAS, caused by my light switch skip find, after he discovered that going back and grabbing Shades to do that still saved time over bombing down to the light switch.

In 2013 and early 2014, I also wrote the article on Ufouria on the SDA Knowledge Database.

And that's where the early history ends! 2014, roughly a decade after I had gotten into speedrunning it, was when Nudua picked it up, found the crawljump to more consistently skip Shades, and then more people started running it, Zoda in particular.

I hope you've enjoyed this history lesson!

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Forum: Protect Me Knight

Thread: Rules and Board Updates?

Started by: MASHMASH

Oh, yeah. I don't think I added rules since I kind of hastily set this board up when I myself wanted to submit it to a marathon.

I'll be adding some rules. Timing should start when you hit the button to make the how to play screen go away, so slightly before gaining control, and ends when Stage Clear pops up after killing the final boss. Boards for runs with more than one player will happen but using multiple variables gets fucky so it's probably just going to be 2p/3p/4p boards without character selection. I've wrestled with it for another board I moderate and nothing worked well.

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Forum: ESA Summer 2018

Thread: Shout-outs for speedrun websites? Live segmented run commentaries?

Started by: LotBlindLotBlind

While the marathons do play their part, I would also believe that the prevalence of single-segment runs these days also has a lot to do with the rise of livestreaming in general. So many people like to stream while they record, and watching segmented attempts live isn't really as interesting.

And... I might be wrong about this, but I can't remember ever seeing a segmented run featured on any kind of leaderboard on this page. There's IL tables, but all the "main" leaderboard times I can remember seeing are purely single-segment runs. I haven't studied all the leaderboards, but even the 10-hour Final Fantasy leaderboards I just checked are 100% single-segment. A lot of people sadly do find SDA obsolete nowadays, and Speedrun.com is very much considered the main site for speedrunning - and it's practically only showing you single-segment runs.

I absolutely understand where you're coming from and I do agree with your main point, but it's not -solely- the fault of the marathons. Streaming in general, and the by far and wide most popular leaderboard site really only concerning itself with single-segments, ILs and a variety of community-invented arbitrary categories (as if speedrunning categories aren't all arbitrary) definitely plays very big parts in the dominance of single-segment runs as well.

 

Forum: ESA Summer 2018

Thread: Roommate finding thread.

Started by: DanteLloydDanteLloyd

Got a double booked from the 20th to the 29th, so I need a roommate for that.

Edit: Spot filled!

 

Forum: ESA Summer 2018

Thread: Roommate finding thread.

Started by: DanteLloydDanteLloyd

I did send an e-mail trying to book a room but haven't heard back yet, though I'd gladly share a room with some nice people. Preferably quad, for economical reasons, but anything is actually fine. Just, given that I can have some problems falling asleep especially when I'm away, I want to mitigate that as much as possible by making sure I get one of the regular beds in whatever room I end up having rather than the pull-out couch or such.

 

Forum: ESA Winter 2018

Thread: Hotel roomie thread

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

Sorry for taking so long with this, but for time and money reasons, I personally will not extend my stay in Växjö any. I'm extremely reliant on the people who wanted the spots actually keeping them for that duration now because I can't afford paying for someone not showing up.

Edit: Also, got my train ticket - I will arrive in Växjö at 18:59 on the 19th, it was the best option that day. My train then leaves at 13:02 on the 25th. I really can't justify any extra days for a variety of reasons. The room is available until 12:00 on the 25th.

So the total price for that hotel room is going to be 1800:- per person and if I read this hotel booking confirmation correctly, payment is on arrival, so I'm going to need that money by the time I arrive at the hotel. The price does include breakfast buffet at the hotel, and the other facilities they have - pool, jacuzzi, sauna and gym. So there's that.

Tompa's going to stay in the room as well and will arrive before I do so he's said he'll be getting a room for his own prior to my arrival, so if any of the others in my room was going to arrive earlier as well, maybe talk to him about it.

 

Forum: ESA Winter 2018

Thread: Hotel roomie thread

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

So Jinny dropped from my room, so there's another free spot now. I still have not finalized my decision on when I'll actually get to Växjö, I'll say.

 

Forum: ESA Winter 2018

Thread: Hotel roomie thread

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

Can certainly do that. So if Jinny actually wants that spot then all the beds in my room are taken.

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Forum: ESA Winter 2018

Thread: Hotel roomie thread

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

Right then, I figure it's about the time when people need to confirm they'll have rooms at the hotel. And while we do have a channel for travel and accommodations on the Discord server, having a thread to keep track of room information seems like a good idea too.

So: If you need a room, or are looking for people to share a room with, here's the thread for you! Post here if you've got spare spots in a booked room, or are looking for a spot to sleep during the event. I'll try to keep this post updated with what's available.

And since I've booked a room, let's start listing.

=Kenny's room=
Quad room from 2018-02-19 (Monday) to 2018-02-25 (Sunday)
Occupants: KennyMan666, KalalMar, Wiredwicky, Tompa
Price: 1800:- per person
Full!
As the one having booked the room, my only demand is first pick of bed. As I've learned the quad rooms have bunk beds, my only actual requirement is that I get a bottom bunk. Calling final on these days.

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Forum: Mega Pony

Thread: Boss Rush?

Started by: XujintsXujints

Boss Rush exists now. I legit don't know why it didn't exist earlier. Leaderboard has also been rejiggered so that character is now a subcategory of main categories to make it look a little more elegant. As with all leaderboards I manage, any character that doesn't have any runs at all will be hidden until they actually get a run.

 

Forum: Ninja Smasher!

Thread: Ninja Smasher! goes to ESA

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

And if anyone that's interested missed it at the time, the ESA run is now (well, as of a week ago) up on Youtube:

Was a mostly decent run.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: ESA 2017 Shoutouts and appriciation Thread

Started by: BaalNocturnoBaalNocturno

In some kind of halfway chronological order mixed with the order I remember things in:

MLSTRM who I met at the train station in Gothenburg, though I shouldn't have listened to him when he suggested walking to teh venue.

City Gross for the breakfast of champions, consisting of three paninis and one Monster energy drink.

ZodaNOR, for making me play Hebereke/Ufouria again (no, I haven't started running it again yet).

Greenalink, for, well, stuff. For almost lending me his 3DS for my Mighty Gunvolt run before I decided I'd just do it on the PC version.

Pull, whose PS2 controller I borrowed for all my practice runs and live stream runs.

IrregularJinny, for Mighty Gunvolt commentary.

SuccinctAndPunchy, mostly for finally getting to actually meet him.

Herreteman, for all the stuff surrounding that ALBW run.

And last but not least Tompa, who drove me to the train station the day I left.

I probably forgot a whole bunch of people so I'll add them later. Maybe.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: We still have an IRC channel!

Started by: KennyMan666KennyMan666

I know you kids these days are all about Discord and whatever, but let's not forget about the chat protocol of champions, the eternal IRC! And the ESA IRC channel is still kicking, so come give us a visit some time!

Server is Quakenet, channel is #ESAmarathon. If you've been hanging out in the GDQ IRC channel, you're already on the right server, so just come on by. Or use the Qnet webchat: https://webchat.quakenet.org/

Happy chatting!

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Board/Card Games

Started by: ChfouChfou

I am absolutely always up for CaH.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Board/Card Games

Started by: ChfouChfou

Betrayal at the House on the Hill is amazing for all the wrong reasons, especially if you have the version that has the Underground Lake on the top floor.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Schedule

Started by: bangerrabangerra

So, not about the things that are on the schedule, but about the schedule itself - on the main http://www.esamarathon.com/ site, there's a schedule tab, but it only shows the schedule for stream #1. The schedule for stream #2 doesn't seem to be found anywhere on the site. That should probably be taken care of.

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Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Board/Card Games

Started by: ChfouChfou

I should bring my copy of Trygg-Torkel, basically a parody of role-playing games and tropes. It's really mostly a single player game, though we usually play it with a player, a narrator and a protocol keeper. I prefer narrating it than actually playing, so I am very up for that for anyone who wants to play. It's in Swedish, so I'd have to translate on the fly for any non-Swedish player, but I've translated some bits in advance.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Magic: the Gathering

Started by: ethoetho

I'll probably bring my deckboxes, but since I'll only be there for about half the event - leaving Wednesday morning - I likely won't be able to play in any tournament.

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: Schedule

Started by: bangerrabangerra

Bought my ticket now too.

Edit: Train ticket Gothenburg -> Växjö purchased as well, let's do this

 

Forum: ESA 2017

Thread: PC Runners -- Gaming PCs

Started by: oasizoasiz

Ninja Smasher! has pretty low system reqs so it should run well on any of those. Will need to set things up before my run since the character I'm going to run is an unlockable, but bringing my save files should work. If not I'll just have to do a regular playthrough at some point before my run to unlock it. And make sure the controls are what they should be.