Forums  /  Heretic  /  RTA vs IGT, here we go again
  Thom_Wye

my latest run in E3 WN is 1st place by RTA, why is it listed as second based on IGT calculated from 7 levels?

 
  Modveo_

the heretic demo community already stopped doing 7 level IGT so i'd be in favor of changing it to include the final level. theres like a thousand ways to get the final level time from a demo so theres no reason to still exclude it from the final time.

the main issue is that a lot of the times posted now don't have demos, and we can't get their final level time without it. we can manually time i guess but that's a lot of work, and switching to RTA doesn't make sense in this game because all of the valid source ports have minor differences in load times and stuff compared to DOS.

if the other mods are fine with it i'd be willing to switch to 8 level IGT and i'll make it a project some day to go through all of the existing runs to time exm8.

 
  Thom_Wye

I've seen runs where people had intermission screens with ingame time even in M8's and in episodes 4 and 5, but I couldn't find any patch that would claim to do that, probably because I didn't know what to search for exactly? Perhaps it would be useful if these were put in the resources section here, if something like that exists.

Anyway, IGT from all 8 levels would be my top preference, although even straight up RTA beats IGT7 for me.

 
  Thom_Wye

since no one else cares, does that mean there is an agreement among the mods?

 
  Modveo_

yeah, i'm just going to change it. keep doing IGT7 for now, and on one of my days off, i'll go through all the runs and update their times.

also, please upload demos with your times from now on. i dont know if i'm going to make it a requirement, but it makes it 10x easier to get the exm8 time if you upload a demo. just throw it onto a google drive or something, or dropbox. if anyone needs to know how to record a demo i can make a tutorial. i also have an autosplitter for heretic so we could make it an either/or deal; either you upload a demo, or you upload a run with the autosplitter. either way would make it much easier to time exm8 and e4/e5 runs.

if you're on chocolate doom just remember to use -demoextend and -shortticfix. if you're on vvheretic+ it should be fine without any extra settings.

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  Thom_Wye

Demos are good, but I wonder how to record them efficiently, that is, spend as little time as possible on each reset I make (I make lots of resets)

so maybe the autosplitter would be the option for me here

 
  Modveo_

batch files for demos are easy and pretty quick. here's the batch file i use to do runs (e1 SM as an example)

chocolate-heretic -record 0rec -skill 4 -warp 1 1 -shortticfix -demoextend

 
  Thom_Wye

yeah I still need to quit the game entirely, confirm that the demo was saved and then run it again. need something comparable with "reset timer hotkey, reset recording hotkey, esc->enter->enter->enter"

 
  Thom_Wye

I am looking into autosplitter programming and cheatengine; perhaps I might be able to write my own autosplitter

 
  Modveo_

here's mine: https://my.mixtape.moe/tkuahn.asl

there's a few changes i wanted to make for it, mainly that it doesn't auto-reset after quitting the game. it's also kind of sloppily coded because i was just mainly just using it for myself. but it's functional for pretty much everything. just remember to set your livesplit mode to game time.