Full Game is a fair run. Аnd Any% should allow everything.
A Wi-Fi pass is not worthy of a separate category.
That would make it simpler, yes. My problem is that the battery-glitch can most easily be reproduced with a script, macro, key redirect or two keyboards. We have no way of telling if someone is using any of that. Or if he is just very fast at hitting E twice. I know that I can do it but my assumption is that people feel inclined or even invited to cheat.
On the other hand, for wifi-skip or re-stunning no cheating is required or helpful. I see a clear line between the two.
Like I said before, it's strange that we have 8 categories but only 2 runs so far. The other extreme would be to put everything in one category (and add annotations, i.e. more columns in the leaderboard) so everyone needs to figure out for themselves what is what.
Need to duplicate the E button, for example, on T. It's a pity that this is not in the game settings.
I'm currently training Full Game. How do you look at the fact that it doesn't use a trick on the boss, but uses bugs?
Okay, so you want glitches allowed in Any% and explicitly allow to duplicate the E button (in whatever form)? Let's see if iensomania has any objections.
I agree, re-stunning is difficult to put in either category. Once you know how to do it, it seems easy and "natural".
15 seconds of time is not worth the trouble of bugs. If the dude agrees, we would ban all bugs in Full Game. I didn't delete his record, of course. But if we come to an agreement without bugs. We will gently rewrite his time. His time will be beaten even without bugs.
A mine in a forbidden zone is your bug. Leaving the room breaks the script, so you can even break the game. The grate in the room after the rebreather. and hanging on the missing trapdoor in room 9. I just want a 100% fair play.
Oh, all those are bugs that you want to list for Full Game? That's a lot...
39:08 The developers missed the way out of the water. A bug is an error in the code or in the operation of a program that leads to unexpected behavior and an incorrect result.
If choose one, then this bug is the most visual. Liquid Terminator is too much for an fair run
Liquid Terminator! :) You are not wrong.
Let's go through it, the major glitches are wifi and battery because they skip 5 minutes each in the blue zone and orange zone. That's the difference between Any% and Full Game. Bam, done.
Then there are minor bugs:
- mine to no-weapons is clearly a bug. However, it only saves 10 seconds or so.
- go through a door 3 times to skip enemy saves 3 shots, I think it only happens twice
- re-breather bugged grate, as awful as it looks, only saves 3 seconds
On the other hand, there are rooms with 5 enemies where you can simply run through without taking damage. Is that intended or bad design? I don't know. Is re-stunning the boss intended? Maybe it is!
(Trapdoor in room 9... Isn't that always there?)
In conclusion, we can create a third category "Full - no bugs at all" that you want to run.
Your thoughts on:
- jump from a ledge and roll within 0.4 sec (e.g. my latest run at 28:40): takes no damage
- Jump between door frames (Aliban's run at 1:06:28): no damage
- fall down and enter door (iensomania's Tutorial Soft-glitched at 3:22) : no damage
On the opposite side, do we need a category where:
- boss re-stunning
- skip re-breather
- not get ammo in Tutorial
is allowed since they are not bugs/glitches?
Using walls and ledges to reduce fall damage is ok.
About the mine. You're wasting a mine. You're wasting your time planting a mine. But slashy runs fast. You only win a few seconds. The mine doesn't magically appear in your inventory. it needs to be picked up somewhere. Maybe it's not a bug. Maybe we're cheating the Consensus in the game, not the game itself:)
Enter the door while falling. Such a game. The doors here are magical, they immediately teleport to the next room. This is a fundamental game setting.
No more categories needed. I'll accept any rules. The main thing is to have competition. If it wasn't for the dude, I wouldn't have understood how bad my 1.03 run was. He went faster in full game.
You brought up some good points! I'll think about how to mix everything together and make it look good. You guys had so many great ideas and we all profit from that!
I think I got it right now but you're both gonna be pissed... Aliban did not do the battery-trick in his run although this is now allowed in Any% and iensomania did not do the boss re-stunning although this is now allowed in Full.
At least, so far you're both still on 1st rank.
Please look through the category rules and tell me if you like it. For Any% anything is allowed (any skip, glitch or bug) and for FULL the only two things not allowed are wifi-skip (which saves 4-5 minutes in the blue area) and battery-trick (which saves 4-5 minutes for orange keys and Transit A).
We can add more categories that take longer, or anything in between, I really don't mind. I do like the fact that Any% and Full are easy to understand and differentiate. I also like that we no longer need to use the word "glitch". :)
For Any% it is now allowed to duplicate the INSERT key to a different key in whatever way so you can press E twice more reliably.
Also, for Levels I've added some rules for the "Full" category that hopefully make sense to everyone.
