Forums  /  Drakengard 3  /  Rules?
  BlueInfinity22

I've noticed there are no rules for this game. Are there any plans to post some for those interested in the speedrun?

 
  BlueInfinity22

I'm guessing that's a "no" since it's been half a year and no response.

 
  Nebulous37

I am considering to start running this game. I think the rules need to be better defined. It also honestly should not be using the DLC outfits/weapons that make you far stronger at the beginning.

 
  ModKerngesund

I am really sorry i never noticed this thread. Back when i was speedrunning this game i just tried to adjust to Silvius78's speedrun. I was occasionally looking for notifications but not even once i noticed there is a thread in this forum. I will try to make some rules based on previous speedruns for future speedrunners to come. I know it is late but better now then never. Im open for any suggestions and questions.

Edit: I made some basic rules including the allowance of DLC outfits and weapons because there wouldn't be a single speedrun without DLC outfits yet. Those rules aren't set in stone and i am willing to create new subcategories if someone wants to run the game in a different way (for example another ending).

 
  MASH

@Kerngesund myself and another runner who current run the NieR games were recently looking into getting involved with the Drakengard games I've been looking at them myself for awhile and have recently been going through the game.
I am the Series mod for NieR and I was the original Super for Automata During the first year, have moved on to allot of other stuff over the years and things are in good hands there now anyways.

Anyways my concern that was brought from a conversation I had with another interested runner is that DLC can still be allowed but should be a separate subcategory as most games would allow for base game runs excluding DLC because of the potential benefits it has and should be optional and not a requirement.

I have been working on IL runs and will be uploading them when I get my current upload net issues resolved.
But I do plan to do runs of Any% and other categories some point soon I hope.

I would hopefully like to bring my knowledge to helping with the boards and maintaining it for new people to be able to pick up and submit for w.e it is they wish. I'd also like to discuss with the current Series mod and mods for the other games about trying to add NieR series as a sub-series or at least be willing to work closer together in making all these boards better for everyone and not off put by lack of or off putting rules and or lack of categories to even submit to.

I was planning to wait till after I get my net issues resolved to contact or even attempt to make a post about this but seeing as you have recently responded I would hope to discuss this with someone who has run the game already.

If you got any questions or would like to talk with me more I would love to work on this game as a start since I have more recent play experience with it and familiar with the DoD and NieR series as a whole since I'd been part of the General non-speedrun DoD/NieR community for the several years now and the start of Automata and before then NieR its self.

I do work on allot of games and teams that moderate boards so I can provide allot of my own experience over the years of doing so with multiple people in variety of communities.
My end goal is to be able to run and submit games like anyone else in a community/board that is managed in respect with the people involved with the games be it mod or not.
My stance on things is to have things make sense and be reasonable and still allow for flexibility to runners.

 
  ModKerngesund

@MASH i would welcome the collaboration with you, the Nier community and the community of the other DoD games.

Regarding the DLC conversation i can fully agree with you and i would like to make new subcategories to give the runners more flexibility.

I never thought there was a serious interest in this game from other runners because i never received messages regarding this game and embarrassingly never noticed this thread.

I was more or less thrown into the position as a mod back then but i would like to improve this board and make it more easy for newcomers to get into running this game.

For future discussions i will contact you in Discord soon.

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  MASH

I look forward to discussing and working on the game(s) so that if there is or was interest from even more people that we can at least get things set up in a position where it's not lacking proper categories and rule sets that are not unfairly restrictive and still allow for change.

 
  MASH

Regarding the dlc outfits and weapons since I do not currently have them but will at some point what are the benifts of outfits? Do they give traits or is it purely cosmetic because adding too many sub categories that can make things rather confusing and messy when trying to establish clear base line rules sets.

Weapons dlc is obvious enough to me from other games but I do want to see things kept simple and easy for everyone to understand and agree with.

I don't really wanna see changes made to the boards till proper discussion is had with both the current runners and interested runners so that we are not pushing anyone away.

 
  ModKerngesund

There are benefits to the outfits: 5% more damage output, 5% less damage received, 20% more recovery from potions or no decrease of stamina during defense.

I don't intent to put anyone off by the changes. Those changes at the moment are just me trying stuff. These categories and subcategories will not be final. I also wan't to make a solution together with the current and interested runners.

I sent a friend request in discord to you so we can discuss more about the topic.

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  MASH

Between @Kerngesund myself and @DaleDukk we have been working on board changes and updates and clarifying and simplifying the existing rules to allow for other categories and still respect the existing runs.
The following is the current purposed Rule sets:

Main Categories

General Rules
• Video is required, Splits and Time on screen is optional.
• Video must show from starting title screen till last cutscene of the run.
• Timing is done RTA (Real Time Attack).

ANY%
• Complete Branch A.
• Time Stops after last hit as screen fades to Final Cut Scene. (When screen boarding appears)

B
• Complete Branches A and B.
• Time Stops after last hit as screen fades to Final Cut Scene. (When screen boarding appears)

C
• Complete Branches A to C.
• Time Stops after last hit as screen fades to Final Cut Scene. (When screen boarding appears)

All Branches
• Complete all branches from A to D.
• Time Stops after last hit as screen fades to Final Cut Scene. (When screen boarding appears)

Sub Categories

New Game
• Time Starts upon selecting and confirming "New Game" on a new file slot.

New Game+
• Played with a "Continued" existing file with required Chapters Unlocked.
• Time Starts upon selecting "Chapter 0: Verse 1" and confirming "Mission Start".

No DLC
• DLC Weapons and Outfits are not permitted to be used.

With DLC
• DLC Weapons and Outfits are permitted to be used.

Individual Levels

General Rules
• Video is required, Splits and Time on screen is optional.
• Video must show "Chapter Select" screen till "Mission Complete" screen.
• Timing is done RTA (Real Time Attack).
• Time Starts upon Selecting Mission and Confirming "Mission Start".
• Time ends once screen begins to fade to "Mission Complete" Screen.

Sub Categories

No DLC
• DLC Weapons and Outfits are not permitted to be used.

With DLC
• DLC Weapons and Outfits are permitted to be used.

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  UltimateTrainer

Just to be clear for the NG+ No DLC category, I can use the Bloodstained Garb that you get for upgrading all the weapons right? It seems to allow for multiple chances at doing the weapon swap and infinite dashing glitches

 
  MASH

You can use anything that you have obtained already in NG+.
DLC is restricted to its own category.
So long as it's not stuff obtain through DLC then you can use said items,weapons and or outfits in the No DLC category.