As of today, a bunch of rules and categories have either been added, changed, or removed due to some recent developments for this game. The following has been changed.

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ISO Loaders are also banned for this game since there are some advantages with using an ISO Loader such as overall faster loading times compared to using an actual disc. We might revisit looking at unbanning ISO Loaders when this game is no longer easily available to obtain/purchase. But for now, used copies of this game are still around the $10 - $20 range.

All runs must be done on either a GameCube, Wii, or any other console that has an official re-release of this game. This is due to this game having a very poor track record of emulating accurately across various different PCs.

As of today, a bunch of rules and categories have either been added, changed, and/or removed due to some recent developments for this game. The following has been changed.

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@zcanannzcanann Would we still lose a decent amount of time at CRF since we can't save quit there to perform BCRS?

@JubJub62JubJub62 yeah I ran into this when I was testing the route yesterday as well. I'm assuming that you also got the glitch where the cutscene with the Earthwalker didn't play until 19 seconds later. The reason why the game doesn't load any other map besides TH seems to be because the game still thinks we're still in orbit when we perform an ESW.

@josejavier1158josejavier1158 I'm going to be testing this out this weekend, most likely tomorrow, since the route seems to have been finalized.

@josejavier1158josejavier1158 I did talk to Celest about this and he seems like he's easing up to the idea of allowing ESW/RESW with no premade files. I can't talk for him of course this is just how I feel rn, but I think that he's waiting for someone to test out the actual route to see how much time ESW/RESW saves in Any% and if it will end up being as broken as the current ESW cat. Which I will be testing out this weekend.

@josejavier1158josejavier1158 Not 100%, replace ESW in the Misc. category with glitchless maybe if the current ESW category ends up being a sub category to Any%.

I'm thinking that to make this game's board not look too cluttered, we should have sub categories in Any% and 100% with what @josejavier1158josejavier1158 suggested in a similar fashion to how the SM64 board looks.

In other words, when you place or get the K3 spirit, the game might be forcing us to fight the Red Eye King.

I'm pretty sure someone mention some dependencies with K3E in a really old post? I'll have to see if I can find that. Worst case scenario if you place K3 the game might update a flag that expects you to defeat Red Eye King?

@BvqRzxi5BvqRzxi5 I'm assuming that you've also placed Spellstone 4 before visiting Wall City?

@BvqRzxi5BvqRzxi5 would it be faster to skip Spellstone 1 or to skip Spellstone 3 in this case since skipping DIM saves 20+ minutes while I haven't timed how much of a time save you'd get for skipping Wall City 1. Also did you do K3E in combination of K4E? If so, maybe we'd have to place them in order (K3 -> K4)?

Also another thing to note is that Ice Blast skip would be impossible with the ESW/RESW route due to the Cape Claw ESW where you'd need Ice Blast in order to get to the cannon to break the barrier.

@zcanannzcanann yeah if you're able to get frame perfect swings in lol

@josejavier1158josejavier1158 the problem with this is that you have to wait until Wall City 1 to get this which would eliminate the time save that K4 Early would have. K4E, if done as early as possible, would skip either half of DIM or the entirety of Wall City 1 (can't do both due to softlock with IceBlast), and DIME would be used in Any%.

Intersting, I knew that you can hit Tricky from the other side of the fence but I had no idea that there's a TrickyWarp inside the chamber itself. Also the void out recovery at the transition map could possibly lead to MMP early with ESW?

idk if you also took this into consideration but K4 Early would also be possible to do with ESW which would save an additional 16+ minutes because DIME would be possible as well.

I could have sworn that the Gecko codes I gave would have shown memory usage. I was actually looking at a few of Rena's streams of the Kiosk version of the game where he had Memory usage enabled on the debugger. Since what I saw was on the Kiosk version of the game, memory usage could be lower in the final game. However, I highly doubt that the memory usage would be dramatically different in the final game though.