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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: The Unusable Rental System: Category change discussion

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Re: IGT not tracking wispon changing.

The reason we ended up not doing IGT for Any% is because of the sheer amount of stuff not being tracked. All the menuing, skipping through convos and cutscenes quickly, actively trying not to achieve certain missions to get less unlocks, all of it would not matter if we did IGT, making it a more interesting run because of working around these time constraints

For NG+ on the other hand, the only thing to really worry about is the wispon switching. Does it make for a more interesting run to have yet another category working around the same constraints, but way less so than Any%? Or does it make for a more interesting run to let people go unrestricted on their creativity. I personally think the latter.

We're also gonna need to have a poll for how we're gonna name the category it seems lol

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: The Unusable Rental System: Category change discussion

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Hey all, so as some of you are probably aware, there are some serious flaws with the rental system and as it stands the Any% route as we know it is becoming impossible to perform. The problem: the rental system pulls 9 choices from the top 32 runs on the in-game leaderboards. Currently the run relies on using this to get a Drill wispon way before you'd first be able to unlock it. Since Sega has pretty much stopped moderating these boards, we're getting to the point where all 32 are hacked times without Drill wispons, making it impossible to perform the strats currently used in the run. This is truly peak modern game speedrunning.

“Why were rentals allowed to begin with if this could end up happening?” The thought behind it was that we use every thing the game offers in order to get the time down as low as possible. No restrictions. If something like this would end up happening, we cross that bridge when we get to it.

Well we've reached the bridge folks, so what're we gonna do about it? Personally I'd like to see some changes that preserve the runs that have been done up till now, while implementing categories that'll promote activate competition. Here's my thoughts, none of this is set in stone, so please by all means discuss.

==Any%==

Any% should definitely be preserved as a main category, but with this change I feel like changes are in order.

- Add sub categories for Rental and No Rental.
- The default would be set to No Rental as that'd be the one people would actually be able to actively run.
- The Rental boards would be preserved to showcase the great runs done and so we'd be able to pick it right back up again should Sega fix the leaderboards.
- You could name the options for the Rental variable “Yes / No” too, but that looks hella weird on people's profiles and the front page, so I'd personally vote calling the options “Rental / No Rental”.
- Since the odds of Sega fixing the boards are rather small, I would personally be open to making an exception to the modding rule. If someone were to make a mod that makes the rental feature pick from a fake list of avatars full of Drills, then I would be willing to make that the one and only exception for the sake of preserving a category. If Sega won't fix their shit, we will.

==NG+ Any%==

While Any% No Rental is certainly an option I feel should be present at this point, I personally feel like the go-to category for a good run and competition would be NG+ Any%

- Cuts most of the downtime out of the run (unlocking avatar stuff, cutscene skipping, conversations).
- Since it's just stages, we'd be able to time by In-Game Time like we do for Episode Shadow, meaning the load time differences between platforms would cease to be a problem. Same goes for the known issues with locking FPS changing the speed the game runs at by tiny amounts, as thes in-game timer speed will always be on par with the game speed.
- To truly promote this as a category where all IL strats people feel crazy enoug to do are viable, I personally feel like we should allow people to either switch wispons for their avatar between stages or just prepare multiple avatars with the r ight wispons to switch between.
- As with any IGT timed category in the Sonic series, excessive pausing or breaks between runs would not be allowed.
- For now I would say Super Sonic DLC would not be allowed as it's not in the base game, but since it's free DLC I'm not very against it either, do voice your thoughts (though I'm pretty sure Super Sonic strats are slower in a lot of the stages anyway lol)

==Other thoughts==

- Normally I advocate for a category actually having people running it before making boards, but since we find ourselves in kind of a unique situation I'm willing to take a leap of faith that people will actually run these 2. Any% No Rental will be the only option for running from a new game and NG+ Any% is accessible to anyone who's finished the game.
- NG+ All Stages is also an option, but is gated by the fact that you need all red rings to unlock all extra stages and copying other people's save files sadly does not work. People would have to do it themselves, so I don't really think it's the go-to here. If people end up running it anyway we could always make a board for it some other time.

So yeah... discuss! I'd like to hear from runners especially of course as this is more of a “What would you like to run going forward” discussion rather than a “What would you like to see other people run”.

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Forum: Sonic Generations

Thread: Single Level Runs

Started by: Zachariah420Zachariah420

http://www.soniccenter.org/rankings/sonic_generations

There ya go.

Other games have gradually been getting IL charts here as well, but only after they got requested in high demand by people who already run the game and were willing to put in the work to transfer and maintain them.

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Forum: Sonic Generations

Thread: Misc categories for mods

Started by: cybersonicstarzx655cybersonicstarzx655

It has seperate boards on the Sonic Fan Games section as it's not official part of the game
https://www.speedrun.com/unleashedproject

 

Forum: Sonic Heroes

Thread: Is emulation allowed?

Started by: MishaTheDuckMishaTheDuck

Dolphin tends to have small gameplay inaccuracies scattered throughout and the faster loading would make score screens load faster too (which do count towards in-game time).

You're free to run on emulator and just not submit to the boards, but we prefer to not have an unofficial version be the fastest way to play or making seperate official boards for said unofficial version.

 

Forum: Sonic Heroes (PC)

Thread: All Stories Category for PC?

Started by: BeanieBoyBobBeanieBoyBob

Noone's done a run afaik. The category only recently got added to console because people started more actively running it, but in the interest of not adding empty leaderboards I'm holding off untill someone with a PC All Stories run asks for a leaderboard

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Forum: Sonic Heroes (PC)

Thread: Team Rose Extended mod speedruns?

Started by: OtterWithAControllerOtterWithAController

You can leave this one here to help spread the word, but it should be fine to make one there too (I don't moderate those pages so can't know for sure)

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Forum: Sonic Heroes (PC)

Thread: Team Rose Extended mod speedruns?

Started by: OtterWithAControllerOtterWithAController

Small correction on what Allegro said, we don't do mods for these leaderboard pages specifically. That's base game only. Should anyone start running the mods though, then there's a good chance for leaderboards here https://www.speedrun.com/sonic_fan_games (much like the Unleashed Project mod for Sonic Generations)

Thanks for bringing it up though, I for one had never heard of it before, so if anyone's interested they're free to run whatever they want :3

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Forum: Okami

Thread: Switch version?

Started by: imascribbleimascribble

Others can correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe the switch version is much like the PC/Xbone/PS4 versions in the sense that the KT Glitch (infinite jump) is patched, making NG+ much much slower compared to PS3. NG categories should be fine on switch, as long as the loads aren't slower that is, but yeah afaik PS3 remains the go-to for NG+

 

Forum: Sonic Unleashed

Thread: New category I've been working on.

Started by: TJHudsonTJHudson

I've done 2 semi-blind "runs" too and got to like 8 hours There's plenty of runs around for a leaderboard, it's just that most of the runs were just non-serious one offs and noone cares enough to want to request a board. Still curious about the pickle medals though cause I thought they were consistent with amount of souvenirs gifted.

Edit: also to make a correction from my earlier post, seems zzz took it down to a 4:37 😮

 

Forum: Sonic Unleashed

Thread: New category I've been working on.

Started by: TJHudsonTJHudson

Ye this category has been a thing for years already, Josh is the only one who tried to run it somewhat seriously, but even then noone ever cared enough to want a leaderboard. Current record is what Iden linked, it's 4:43

The route he used did end up beating the game to unlock Eggmanland souvenirs though, so I'm surprised to hear it's possible without it. I imagine you'd need every single Wentos souvenir? If true it's interesting and a big potential timesave, albeit an extremely luck reliant one.

 

Forum: Sonic Colors

Thread: About the Starlight Carnival skip

Started by: [Deleted user]

You can, I'll review them to fix inaccuracies if there are any

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: is this game 2d only?

Started by: [Deleted user]

try watching a run

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Forum: Sonic Heroes

Thread: Hi Im New!

Started by: [Deleted user]

No, we just use the Sonic Heroes channel on the speedrunning discord. Don't go off making a different discord please, we'd like to keep things centralized.

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Forum: Sonic Speed 2018

Thread: Discord?

Started by: KitokoKitoko

There is already a discord for this, but I think it's invite only for organization purposes or something. idk ask Paulie

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: questions for run

Started by: ThomTailsThomTails

Hi there, it's not allowed to have mods active even if they're purely visual sorry. This is both out of precaution in case the mods unintentionally change something and out of bad experiences with allowing mods on other Sonic games in the past (it can get kind of a mess with neverending discussion about what mods should and shouldn't be allowed). Easiest way to ensure these is to just keep the game clean.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Episode Shadow | Category Discussion

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Sayuri is correct. As long as we can tell what's going on you can record with whatever you've got.

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Episode Shadow | Category Discussion

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Alright this thread has been up long enough for people to get their opinions in. It seems most people are on board with In-Game Time for the purpose of having no loading disadvantage for any of the consoles, so that will be the timing method going forward (I'll retime the current runs linked in this thread when I make the boards). I'm gonna go ahead and say no to the ideas of Real Time as main timing method or using both, because the only thing it really tracks that Game Time doesn't is "who has the faster loads". The current ruleset will look as followed:

- Complete the 3 stages of the Episode Shadow DLC.
- Both running from a new game and running from a completed file are allowed.
- In-Game Time is to be used for this category. Add up your final stage of every stage. If you restarted a stage, add up the time you spent in the stage up untill the restart too.
- The run must be completed in 1 sitting with minimal time spent in between stages.

If there's any last minute points y'all would like to bring up now would be the time, I'll make the leaderboard tomorrow. It'll be under misc for now, if it consistently gets a lot of traffic I'll move it to main. I'll leave the thread up afterwards as the go-to thread for discussion of the category.

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Episode Shadow | Category Discussion

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Except there is a point, because the entire idea is to do them all in 1 sitting which would be a rule? Whether you're adding up real seconds or in-game seconds doesn't matter there and I'd rather include as many people as possible since there's nothing worthwhile happening outside of the actual stages. Weak argument for Real time tbh.