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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Kinda missed the part where you said yes to those. Added them for now, though again I'm skeptical they'll do well.

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Alright I've added the subcategories to all the relevant stages (any stage that features Avatar)

I've decided to go a different approach when it comes to the wispons however: I'm giving every single one a trial run. As of right now, they all have a subcategory on every single stage.

I will give all of them a chance to develop an interest and check in every now and then to see what's going on. If needed I will then delete the boards retro-actively if one of the following is true:
- It is empty or only has 1 run for a long time
- The strats don't actually make note-worthy use of the chosen wispons (example: a tag-team stage that relies purely on Sonic or Aqua Road that runs the risk of just being nothing but water slides)
- The boards have few 2-3 runs and have been inactive for such a long time that it seems like a waste of space (this one will take a very long time don't worry)

This is very much an experimental way of doing things from my end, but I can't expect y'all to post runs of every single stage+wispon combo before making the boards, so I figured I'd give it a chance

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Noted! I'll add it for that stage then. If people end up not running certain wispons I'll just remove those options on that stage.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

I'll try to find some time this weekend to create the subcategories btw, ruleset seems good and there's some really motivated people here.

I'll start with Burst, Lightning, Void and Asteroid. Not too worried about those getting interest.

Not sold on Cube and Hover as of yet, but I can add those easily later down the line, so if you have runs of those at any point you can post them in this thread.

Drill won't get its own category of course, since it already dominates the "Any Wispon" subcategory anyway 🙂

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

I can make sure the subcategories apply to both Normal and Super Sonic yeah, it's a simple setting fortunately.

So your choice really. If you're unsure I'll probably start out with just Normal and if the desire for Super is there later down the line I can switch it for those stages ezpz.

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Since it technically counts, my old Null Space IL was Burst only 🙂

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Sounds good and don't worry I was already factoring in the tag-team stages

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Sorta? It would essentially work the same way that Skills/No Skills works for certain Sonic Generations IL's:
https://www.speedrun.com/sonic_generations/Green_Hill#Modern

They both have their own boards, but only the Skills times appear in the stage overview:
https://www.speedrun.com/sonic_generations/individual_levels

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Yeah just link the spreadsheet here so that everyone can see it and post in this thread if they have something to add 🙂

After discussing it with Sayuri a bit I will say: we're a little bit worried about runs of certain wispons being just... majorly unpopular (like Cube). Two solutions: 1. y'all make sure every stage is covered with multiple runs before the boards are even made or 2. we start out only adding more interesting wispons and then expand as soon as interest in other wispons grows enough.

But hey we're still in the collection phase, so we'll see how things progress from here.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Misc. | Wispon-Exlusive IL Categories

Started by: Manic07925Manic07925

Had a look at site functionality to see how feasible this idea is and yeah it's doable. I wouldn't make it a full category, since categories can only be applied to all stages at once resulting in a ton of empty boards (the Super Sonic problem)

What I CAN do however is make them subcategories, since those can be applied to singular stages. I'd have to make a seperate one for every stage, but considering it's just Avatar stages that's doable (it'd just take me some time). Here's how that would look:
http://puu.sh/HxXov/ad2bbc3bfc.png

On the level overview page, only the top times in the main subcategory would be shown, which would be "Any". In this case that's actually preferable, since it doesn't clutter the overview with tons of categories. So yeah, definitely doable from a technical standpoint.

I'll check with Sayuri just in case I'm overlooking something, in the meantime get a collection of ILs ready to show interest and post them here. Preferably from multiple runners. You could gather them in a google spreadsheet or something.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Suggestion for a Skip/Glichless Category

Started by: BeatdownTVBeatdownTV

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Since it's been brought up a few times, I just want to say that "Boring" is not an actual argument against leaderboards 🙂 it's not up to you to decide what others enjoy running so if there's enough interest from other runners and it's completely thought through a leaderboard can exist. You can always choose to not run it yourself while letting others have their fun. It is however an explanation of why there hasn't been much interest up till now.

Similarly, terms like "Normal skips" aren't of any use to the discussion, because what's normal to you might be not normal to someone else, just like how what's boring to you might not be boring to someone else.

As for submitting it to Any%, yes it does make sense, Any% is merely beating the game from start to finish with whatever strats you choose to use and with any percentage of completion. Any run that beats the game can fall under it. That's why for any new leaderboards that impose certain limitations like "Glitchless" I want there to be a collection of videos to show to me that there is actually an interest in the category from enough people. If the interest isn't there, why split it from regular Any%.

The same would be required for the wisp-on categories Ryan brought up, but this thread is for Glitchless / Skipless so let's not derail the thread 🙂

As for rules. What I want to see is what Ryan brought up, what is allowed per stage and more importantly: why is or isn't it allowed. Consistent ruling is important.

Example below

Red Gate Bridge
Banned: cutscene skip - Reason: requires Out of Bounds.

Mortar Canyon
Banned: 2nd half skip - Reason: requires Out of Bounds.
Allowed: 1st half skip - Reason: In-bounds, only requires jumping well

 

Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Suggestion for a Skip/Glichless Category

Started by: BeatdownTVBeatdownTV

At this point you're not really describing a "glitchless" run, but a "no skips I don't like" run. If you want a glitchless category you're gonna have to think further than just "these skips I don't like" and be more detailed than "no skips".

Take Null Space for example, there are a lot of different routes through the stages and as a result there is no real "intended" route. Most of the skips just come down to, jumping to another platform or rail. Some of the routes skip sections using the drill, which you just described as a game mechanic that doesn't need to be limited by the rules, so are those skips allowed then?

Again it's fine if people want to run without skips, but in a game like this the ruleset for a "Glitchless" category needs to be extremely detailed.

That's why redirected you to the forums to start a more detailed discussion 🙂 That said untill there's a widely agreed upon ruleset and some sample videos, you are free to run the game in whatever way you like and just submit them to the currently existing Any% boards! You are not forced to do skips you don't like in order to submit.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Suggestion for a Skip/Glichless Category

Started by: BeatdownTVBeatdownTV

If it does get enough attention we'd be happy to add it later on of course. Feel free to use this thread to compile videos untill then.

Here's some stuff to think about though:
- How does the "No skips" rule apply to Avatar's Drill wisp? At what point is something considered a skip?
- Which Modern tricks are and are not allowed. There's jumps that don't require going out of bounds, but do skip small parts.

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Forum: Sonic Generations

Thread: Glitchless Category?

Started by: XritskenXritsken

There isn't one atm, since existing runners haven't really shown interest in one. You're welcome to submit glitchless runs to the Any% boards of course.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: Photo

Started by: DamolaDamola

A video of the full run is required to verify your gameplay

 

Forum: Sonic Heroes

Thread: Emulator Discussion Master Thread

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

No, all of those fall under "Modifications" in the rule below

- Modifications, cheats, editing .ini files and emulator exclusive functions are not allowed.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: All Super Sonic Stages Speedrun Category Suggestion

Started by: Nuh_OzkartalNuh_Ozkartal

Alright folks, Nuh_Ozkartal sent me his run of the Normal Sonic version of this category, so we have 2 for each. As such the leaderboards are now up in the misc section: https://www.speedrun.com/sonicforces/full_game#All_Modern_Stages

Regarding the topic of "All Avatar Stages", "All Classic Stages", etc. they'll be made under the same conditions as soon as at least 2 runs exist, so if there's interest in those in the future, feel free to make a thread.

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Forum: Sonic Forces

Thread: All Super Sonic Stages Speedrun Category Suggestion

Started by: Nuh_OzkartalNuh_Ozkartal

Alright first off, thank you for actually posting videos of runs and suggested rules with your request, appreciate it!

I'm hesitating with the name a bit atm, since it isn't technically "All" Super Sonic stages, considering you can go Super on both classic and tag team stages as well. The most logical way to implement this version would be All Modern Stages with subcategories for Sonic & Super Sonic similar to IL's, which you already suggested. So I suggest naming it that way as well to avoid confusion. Other than that IGT sounds good and it'd start of in misc for sure.

I'll discuss it with Sayuri. Personally I'd still like to see a 2nd video of All Modern Stages - Sonic so that we have at least 2 for both.

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Forum: Sonic Colors

Thread: Emulator Announcement Thread

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

Update on the "Speed up Disc Transfer Rate", it is apparently not a setting in the emulator itself, but in the properties of the iso file, that you can access through Dolphin. Right click on the iso file and select properties to see if it's turned on or not. Added back into the rules.

http://puu.sh/H8yey/795e274cc0.png

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Forum: Sonic Heroes

Thread: Emulator Discussion Master Thread

Started by: CriticalCydCriticalCyd

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Ah sweet, thanks Mati!

Thanks to anyone who offered advice or help with navigating emulator stuff throughout all this btw. I'm not the most familiar with emulators, but learned a lot of important stuff to make this happen, while still making it as fair as possible.

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