Problem officially solved with the new rules. Locked.

Problem officially solved with the new rules. Locked.

Hello everyone,

I want to announce several new rules for leaderboard submissions, that will apply on August 15th. They were agreed upon months ago, but while some of them have already been in effect since, they weren't officially announced. Time to fix this.

Let's start with what is probably the biggest change : video proofs. From now on, if you want to submit a run that is under a certain time, you will be asked for video proof for it to be verified and appear on the leaderboards. These time barriers are :

• 1:23:00 for All Cups
• 42:00 for Nitro Cups
• 41:00 for Retro Cups
• 9:00 for Mushroom Cup
• 10:00 for Flower Cup
• 10:00 for Star Cup (Glitchless)
• 9:30 for Star Cup (with glitches)
• 10:00 for Special Cup
• 8:50 for Shell Cup
• 9:30 for Banana Cup
• 10:00 for Leaf Cup
• 9:50 for Lightning Cup. From August 15th on, any run under these times with no video proof will be systematically rejected. Runs that are already verified won't be deleted, of course. We're conscious about the difficulty of recording 3DS footage, so obviously it doesn't have to be a perfect 4K video with screen recorded from a capture card ; anything that allows us to see what's going on on your screen throughout the run will be enough. Recording through NTR is forbidden, though, for inconsistencies in load times. Please note that runs approaching these times with no video will also be treated with particular attention ; All Cups runs under 1:25 will now require splits to be verified, and so will Nitro Cups runs under 43:00 or Retro Cups runs under 42:00. Though track-by-track splits will be prefered, cup-by-cup is enough. And no need to provide anything extraordinary, a screenshot of your timer, a decent enough picture of your timer on your computer screen, or a splits.io file will do.

On to the second big rule, one that has already been in effect : every All Cups, Nitro Cups or Retro Cups runs now HAS TO BE SINGLE-SEGMENT. By that, we mean quitting the game between cups is now forbidden due to inconsistencies in load times between different generations of 3DS systems.

Last, not really a rule, just a "small" change on the leaderboards : runners who have 2 PBs for the same category, one with glitches and one glitchless, will now see both of these appear on the leaderboards, so that a new glitched PB will not make a glitchless run disappear, or the other way around.

That's all for today, thanks for your attention.

Good luck everyone !

It's completely intentional.

To clarify, it's not all obsoleted runs (which you could've noticed by watching a little bit more carefully). I just changed a setting so that a glitchless run won't obsolete a glitched PB from the same runner, or the other way around. That way, a runner who has 2 PBs for the same category, one with glitches and one without, will have both appear on the leaderboard (which can be pretty important for categories with major glitches like Star Cup) without having to filter glitch usage manually. Note that it doesn't have any influence on the rankings, since only the best run of the two shows a rank on the leftmost column.

And iirc, it was a request from several people in the Discord, so we won't change that back. But unfortunately, I don't think there's anything you can do on your end to have it appear the way it was before :/

Yeah, you just got lucky, no way this was RNG manip. There are simple manips on 20+ years old games, that require timed, frame-perfect and/or buffered inputs to work with a decent consistency (I'm thinking more specifically about Pokémon in Gen1 and Gen 2, just go watch how ridiculous Yellow Mt.Moon manip is), so unfortunately it just cannot be as simple as that on 3DS

It stands for "National Record", I think. Probably just translated from the JP boards when they got merged in here.

So the actual meaning would be WR/1st place now that everyone can sumbit a JP run ^^

It should be working with A+B+Start+Select, I do that quite often. Try holding the buttons for longer than you usually do, maybe the inputs didn't register simultaneously.

Far more accurate =/= accurate enough. We still find inaccuracies on Game Boy emulators we thought were perfect, while the Game Boy is about 30 years old. Pokémon Gen 3 runs completed on an emulator are hidden by default on the leaderboards because the available emulators aren't accurate enough, even though the console is 18 years old. DS emulators are universally known to not be accurate (running games faster than the original hardware) and the DS was released almost 15 years ago. Given that the 3DS is barely 8 years old and that it's by far the console people have had the most trouble hacking and emulating, you CANNOT realistically expect Citra to be nearly as accurate as it needs to be to be considered as an eligible platform for speedruns. Please come back in 10 years, or with extended testing that proves Citra is running at a consistent framerate, that's both close enough to the 3DS framerate, and not higher than it. Or just potato cam your 3ds screen for runs, we're also fine with that.

Hi ! Glad you missed me :) Sad to see you still open pointless threads, though

They're not in the rules yet, but time limits for video requirement have been agreed upon a few months ago already. Not sure why I still haven't announced/applied them yet though, so I guess I'll do that later this weekend and they'll be in effect in December ?

How is that still not locked lmao

Fixed

Oh well, here we are again. Only 2 things to say before I lock this :

• if someone has a time that's way better than yours, maybe it's because, idk, they're way better than you at the game, or at least at that part of the game ? As MKWilliam said (and after due verification), Branlo held the record for rAF for 7 months total between 2012 and 2014 (and, according to Players' page, is currently still in 4th place), so saying he's good at MK7 is an understatement. And, as he said in the description of his run, he got this time after 30 attempts, so it's pretty safe to assume this one had great RNG, too.
• That 9:30 is far from the theoretical best possible time (8:59.3), and even from the sum of his PBs (again, according to Players' page) + load times (9:05.0). So that's not even close to the past cases of suspicious runs we ended up taking down.

tl;dr This run was completed by an established top-level TT player, after 30 attempts, and still loses 25 seconds to his TT PBs. This is legit with a 99,99% probability, the 0,01% only coming from the lack of video proof (not required at the time). Nothing to see here. Locked.

PS : I just remembered you already started a thread about that one run a few months ago, that I had also locked back then. I'd appreciate not having to waste my time replying to another pointless thread of yours ever again. Thanks.

To my knowledge, nothing is decided yet, please calm the fuck down. If something actually changes, we'll tell everyone. Locked.

Ok, so on top of being uncooperative, incoherent and dumb, you're now being obnoxious ? GREAT.

First, a little reply to your first post after mine ; my second "reason" is NOT a non-issue, lemme explain you again : I told you the super mod for this series (so, the #1 guy that decides what's going on in this game) was not okay with validating runs that reset between cups, so I'm not supposed to do it. That's common sense, I shouldn't have to explain that twice for you to understand.

Now for the rest. In the endless flow of incoherent bullshit that you've been throwing here since yesterday, one post made me laugh : "My run shouldn't be doubted anymore because I gave Cynda the answers he wanted", or something close to that. Lemme tell you how much you're wrong there :

• you did end up answering my questions (although it took a while), but some of your answers weren't convincing enough to immediately validate your run, since they show how little you know about the rules of our different categories, and that didn't help clearing out my doubts about whether this run is real or not.
• I told you in my reply (you know, that last post from 27 days ago, where you once again didn't pay attention to the part I wanted you to reply to) that, given what you'd been telling me, there was a new problem, this time with your cup splits, and you didn't give an explanation about any of that.

So for now, I don't reject your run, since I have no clear evidence that it's fake, and it's not good enough to be rejected only for lack of video proof. But I won't consider validating it until you give me convincing answers that'll stop everyone from thinking your run is fake.

DS, DS Lite and DSi(XL) are counted as DS, 3DS(XL) and 2DS are considered 3DS, New 3DS(XL) and New 2DS XL are considered New 3DS. Adding all of them separately would not only be pointless (because it doesn't matter if the run is completed on a DS Lite, a DSiXL, a New 3DS or whatever you played on), but it would also give an incredibly long platform list for nothing :P

Wooooow, I love how your brain cells finally connected correctly after I threatened you of rejecting all your times but not at all before that. Too bad that threat was what it took, but that's still kinda funny.

Anyway, from what you're telling me, I understand that your cup "splits" have loads in them. So I have to cut ~30 seconds from that to get your cup times. The thing is, that would mean you got 9:46 on Star Cup without Maka Wuhu glitch, and I can't accept that without a video since it's a WR for Star Cup Glitchless (Gogoku has 9:47). So either you tell me that you used MW glitch and I change "glitch usage" to Yes, or your run is invalid until you provide a video proof for it.

Another thing that prevents me from validating that run is that from what you tell me, you reset the game between cups, and Lafungo told me (in his instructions for validating runs) that he wanted a community discussion about resets between cups (because it makes load times vary between 3DS and New 3DS) before we verify new runs that use them. (I'll start a thread about that soon, don't do that yourself)

Number 3 : your Retro time starts when you select Shell Cup, not when you finish Special, and that's why Retro+Nitro from the same run HAVE to be faster than the All Cups time by ~30 seconds (or whatever time credits skip take if you don't reset). So your explanations still don't solve anything for that concern (unless you didn't understand a thing about that and the actual time is 40:47)

Finally : If you forgot something in a message you just posted, there's a magic Edit button that lets you modify your first message instead of posting another. You should try it. We'd all appreciate not drowning under notifications. Thanks.

Casually locking another thread that should never have existed. Btw @OBSIDIAUS , if you're reading what's going on in this forums as much as you're posting stupid stuff in, you should know that we're currently "investigating" other weird-looking times on the individual cup leaderboards, so if we didn't mention this one as "under investigation", that's probably because, idk, it was fine ?

Also, Alessio in his All Cups WR got a 9:54 in Leaf (and iirc RNG f*cked him a bit there), he just didn't submitted it as an individual cup run. Please consider watching what times top All Cups runners got in their PB videos before starting a 19283746th dumb thread, thanks.

Hey, look. I asked you multiple questions, you only answered the one that was obvious and ignored the rest of them even after I repeated the most important ones. That's exactly what Goomba (and MKWilliam for the Nitro-Retro problem part) said, except that telling me to "leave you alone" like you did with him will have other consequences since I'm the one who decides if your runs can be on the leaderboard or not.

So, one LAST warning : please clearly answer my questions in your next message in your "I wanna be mod" thread, or I'll reject all your runs and you'll be required video proof for any further submission (that'll also apply if your answers aren't satisfying, and/or if they don't stop me from thinking your runs are fake). Also, please stop opening pointless threads over and over. I'm also locking this one.

Thanks Goomba and Cros for the explanations.

Locking that now for everyone's sanity

Yeah thanks, that's your cup times, and now with the hundredths I get 1:23:33 as I already told you I expected. Thanks for that, that was definitely what I expected, and it sure helped me a lot. Nothing else was bothering me, let alone anything that I would've already told you about twice.

Irony aside, FOR THE THIRD TIME, what about the Nitro-Retro segments problem, like how do their sum end up being +8 against your All Cups when it should be -3x or -5x ? And also for the third time, WHY IS THERE NO LOAD TIME BETWEEN YOUR CUPS ?

That's because you keep ignoring those questions that your run isn't verified yet. Do you get it now ? Am I FINALLY going to have a clear answer now ? Because that whole thing is getting really annoying.