We have already agreed that a straw poll isn't a good way to gauge opinions on this matter.

Strawpoll is bad for a variety of reasons, for one people could vote dirt easy with a proxy, secondly one could get their friends to vote in favor of what you agree with. Alaris mentioned name voting, but why do that when it can just be discussed here? Everyone giving their opinions in this thread is sort of like a vote, by seeing what the majority of the community wants. At this point I think its pretty obvious that things should remain the same, so why start voting on it?

OT: Toufool "we" believe optimizations based off of gameplay and not modern(compared to N64) hardware emulation. VC is very different from N64 as it doesn't involve lag reduction, and has poor controls. It also needs an adapter to use an original N64 controller which will further increase input lag.

"Super Mario 64 is one of the largest, if not the largest competitive speedrun there is. Could be another Mario or maybe OoT, I haven't looked at the numbers... but this is besides the point.

My point above was that the majority of prying eyes are on this game. So by following through with this decision, more games will also follow suit with this games example. You can guarantee this. This is very bad."

Hypothetically if a change was made that benefited us I doubt any of us would give a damn what other communities try and do. Its their choice as a community how they set their rules, if what we do is better then its up to them to decide / discuss it like we're doing now. I don't see many games using our current system, if we changed to a more restricting one why would they go with that when they aren't even copying it now? Our leaderboards are actually different than the majority of other games, and I've yet to see any somewhat popular game mirror our leaderboards. If you look at the top three, SM64, SMS, and OOT we all have pretty different rules on our boards. Not too sure where you were going with this, but that statement just doesn't stand true at all.

I'm not trying to come at you directly by saying this, but if you aren't in the community and never plan to be why would you try and influence a game and community you aren't involved in / know little about? You seem to have gotten a bitter taste about our community from this thread, which I don't understand. This is a thread discussing the pros and cons of a leaderboard change, a thread that was rather organized and open to the entire community to give their thoughts on. Other communities either do what they think the community wants, or throws shit at eachother in their discord going in circles and not making progress.

This thread wasn't made to directly ban VC/Emu it was to discuss the pros and cons of the state of our leaderboards involving Emu/VC. Bebop listed his pros and cons, and it was discussed. As you've seen the communities spoken and are nearly at a complete agreement. I think this is how most big changes should go, not just for us but for other communities as well.

I don't really understand why you would be less likely to join a community after seeing us engage in a constructive, civil discussion on trying to make our community better, but thanks for your input.

I do think that all runs should be on the same platform to create an even playing-field but there is no way that we can convert everyone to N64. VC and EMU should both be hidden by default but not completely gotten rid of due to the fact that generally runners start on these platforms and should be able to compare their times to other runners.

For those that are worried about changing their controllers from GameCube to N64 can easily get an adapter: http://www.raphnet-tech.com/products/gc_to_n64_adapter/index.php

Most N64's average about ~$30-50 online but if you look around in your area at goodwill's, garage sale's, etc. they usually go for cheaper. Super Mario 64 itself is around ~$15 NTSC-J and ~$30 NTSC-U. If you buy NTSC-J and have a US console you can still play it on the US console by changing the back of the cart to an NTSC-U.

Imagine being this dumb

I like what the SM64 community has done with having a standardized version so there is no need to ever switch but completely removing VC/emu is a horrible idea even if they aren't as popular. I'd go into more detail but I'm on mobile atm. Not to get off topic but who the hell in the pmario community thought they were already banned LOL. Plenty of SM64 people joined our discord so feel free to message me there instead of derailing this thread.

I think we should just make iQue the main leaderboard since we are talking about exclusivity. That will make everyone happy :)

Speedrun on whatever version of a game you want. Your personal achievements aren't any less important just because of what you play on.

The point of speedrunning is to optimize your times and not to force someone to play on a certain version, i don´t think i need to write more, because the previous posts do sum up the rest quite well i believe.

I don't agree with removing EMU and VC times. Allowing EMU and VC runs allows more people to get into speedrunning the game which should be the main aim of the community. If EMU and VC got banned then it would particularly affect PAL runners as getting hold of a NTSC N64 and game will cost a fair amount of money. The previous posts pretty much say everything I was thinking so no need to write more.

This is still going on cause we're still talking about it and bumping this thread, but the general attitude seems to be to keep status quo.

Locking thread, no need for further discussion