Individual Level Leaderboards
9 years ago
Växjö, Sweden

Alright, so a lot of different games has individual levels that are being ran by different runners. These runs normally have their own in game timer as well.

IL leaderboards as they are right now doesn't really work out completely throughout the site. There are complications with times, structure and positioning. You guys has done a great job with this site, maybe the IL part should get some more focus?

First example I have is something that happened in Punch-Out!! for Wii. Basically I posted all my IL WRs in the IL board created by me. After a while Zallard1 posted his Von Kaiser time as well - which is just as fast (and btw also frame perfect, unimprovable) - to the IL board. What happened was that my time remained the best time, while his didn't even show up on the board. http://www.speedrun.com/powii/Von_Kaiser#Contender

Instead, his IL time showed up on his "Runs" page on his profile just named "Contender" with the time. So apparently, if someone submits an IL time that is just as fast as one already submitted, it translates into a "normal" speedrun on that persons personal page and disappears from everywhere else. IL's are something that will always have a lot of tied times, so this should be considered a bug and therefore fixed.

This puts another question on the table though, if multiple runners have the same time, will all their names be listed on the IL overview? One solution I can think of is to have it say "XX.XX by Pottoww" if there is only one person having the best time, and "XX.XX by Y runners" if more than one person share the same time. This would take away the uglyness of 10 people being listed.

Next up is the time. IL leaderboards and full game leaderboards should be separated when it comes to administrating them in the settings. One reason is the timer. In Super Mario Galaxy 2 IL times comes down to hundreds, but no one would ever time a full game run in hundreds. This is just a question about looks, but there might be more reasons to split them in the settings that I can not think of right now.

Although, another thing conected with this is that having "full seconds" and "milliseconds" as the only two options also makes it look kind of ugly sometimes. The best solution might be to add the options to time a game in everything between a full second and milliseconds, so games like Punch-Out!! and others can get rid of that final 0 after each time.

Next up is the structure of the IL boards. This is a tricky one though, but I will explain my issue to get it up for discussion at least. Once again I direct you to Punch-Out!!, there are 13 fighters in total in the career mode and you fight each one twice, once in Contender mode and once in Title Defense mode. This makes the "Individual level categories" very useful. One issue though is that you can also fight Donkey Kong, which you can only fight in one mode (basically "extras"). With the IL categories used, DK still gets two different LBs although he only requires 1, and having all 27 fights listed seems very "ugly". Might there be a way to fix this?

There might be an issue to compete with Cyberscore in ILs, but I feel like there are games where different IL categories and such is useful (Star Fox: Assault for example) so having them on this site is in many cases more useful for speedrunners.

Thank you for reading, feel free to share thoughts and ideas of anything IL-related here to make this an IL discussion thread.

United States

I tend to agree with most of this. I was hoping to separate IL tables and Full game tables into individual units that there can possibly be multiple of.

Timer update is another somewhat separate but related concern.

Much of this is going to take a while to resolve. I'm going to catch up with Pac in a couple days to see what we want to prioritize next. (He's on travel currently.)

Any additional feedback from others would be helpful for planning purposes.

Växjö, Sweden

So after discussing in the Galaxy 2 community I realized (with some help) that "categories" for individual levels would solve a lot of the structure issues. For a game as huge as Super Mario Galaxy 2 with a total of 242 individual levels it would be amazing to sort them into the worlds (or galaxies). So an overview with all the "categories" would be the best, pretty much just as the structure on Cyberscore.

Växjö, Sweden

Kirkq do you have any updates in this discussion so far?

United States

This is still something I'm pushing for; it's not being worked on directly at the moment.

Timer modularity update and private messages are a higher concern at the moment I think. Timer modularity is probably a step towards this more modular implementation though.

We've been dealing with a lot of smaller quality of life issues more recently, they usually get updated in the changelog: http://www.speedrun.com/changelog

Germany

Question: Is there a way to block a certain level for a certain category in an IL board?

Virginia, USA

one thing i would like, is that on a person's profile under their IL times, if ONLY the levels with times by the runner show up. Instead of every level for that game.

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