Loads
7 years ago
England

I'm playing on PS2 and I see a really clear load time difference in my loads to WR on emulator. For the vast majority of PS2 games, emulator is banned because of this blatant unfair advantage. I would highly prefer if emu was either 1. banned all together, 2. separated from the legitimate PS2 leaderboard or 3. someone found a PS2 emu which matched near exactly the loads of a legit PS2. Thanks

The reason that emulator is pretty much the main platform here is because half the run would be load times anyway and I dont think anyone wants to sit through an extra 25 minutes of extra loads. It would be different if it was another game though.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Italy

We could implement loadless times, there's a plugin for livesplit that should work, and it would make it fair for everyone.

England

Robot: There's a reason people don't like it when others use emulators. It's because they are not using the console it was made for and are in turn, receiving a huge advantage whilst not staying true to using the hardware that it was concepted on. If an emulator was found which matched the loads, it would be ok, but using incorrect load times doesn't reflect what the actual fastest time for a run in RTA is.

ef14: Can you explain to me how that would work?

True but the only actual advantage of playing on emulator is load times and if emulator were to be banned, jumping from a 30 minute world record time to an hour world record time just seems nonsensical and arbitrary given the circumstances. And if we did want to use a load remover we could realistically only do that accurately on emulator anyway. Not only that but depending on the ps2 model and condition of the hardware, load times will differ from console to console anyway so thats pretty much why I think its arbitrary to not play on emulator.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Italy

Yeah its not "automatic" on PS2 of course, because its not tied to the PS2 hardware, but re-timing is very easily doable.

Anyway, the way it works is, well i never tried it on an emu but i don't see why it would be any different, you can run livesplit with two timers, classic and loadless, the loadless just pauses whenever you're in a loading screen.

I wouldn't want to split the categories just yet because, there's just no runners as is, there would be even less since you're splitting like 4 people in two categories, one of which currently dead because i haven't been grinding it.

btw hate to ask this here but could i get mod back accidently removed myself a while back lol

Italy

Oh sure lol

EDIT: "You do not have permission to do this." Uhhhh, welp.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
England

Ok. I'm a lil' pissed off now. I just nearly bopped 2nd place with a PS2 against his emu run and I am 95% sure I would have gotten WR if 1st place had done it on PS2 so can you fix it pls. PS2 emulators are banned in everything else and I have no idea why youre so adamant to keep them here. But whatever

England

lmao tfw this community is so dumb that you're not allowed to use an exploit in the game to beat the game, but you're allowed to use EMULATOR to get an obscenely good time which is clearly fucking unfair

Pretty much what I told you 28 days ago and also what ef14 said. Also it's going through 'Season Mode' the way it was intended, not skipping everything by using 'Exit Game'. Also you 're not giving a very good impression right now.

Edited by the author 6 years ago

Update: Okay so I actually checked your 54:xx and I do not have words right now. Not only do you actually make your own rules but you claim your 54:xx as being ''would of been wr'' when WR doesn't actually break the rules when you clearly do. Again let me just get this straight, you want Season Mode to be half an hour longer with load times and have as minimal gameplay as possible by using an exploit that is against the rules. Logic.

England

BECAUSE HITTING A BUNCH OF PEOPLE WITH A CHAIR AND GETTING DQ'D FOR 80% OF THE GAME IS INTENDED, RIGHT? If you ask any, ANY, other logical community with PS2 as a platform, you will know the emulator's are banned. But what makes it even worse is that the point of speedrunning is to beat the game as fast as possible, right? Well why the fuck can't we just use the goddamn exploit? What could possibly make you think that we shouldn't be able to use it? It's less fun? Less gameplay? Are you kidding me? This game is as much of a meme as this community. How is going faster through the game a bad thing compared to just hitting people with fucking chairs. And for the record, I don't care that emulator is allowed. I care more that people haven't done anything to even tackle the problem which is clearly there. I'm done with this cause I'm struggling to want to live. I know as soon as I post this, you and someone else are probably going to band together the try and make me look like a fool even though, ask anyone outside of this forum about this topic and they should give you a similar response to me. But for the love of god, ef14, if you want this game to even see the light of day again, just try changing it so you can use the exploit and just get rid of emulator or give it its own category or something. Otherwise some nerd like Robot will have WR forever just because he is too up his own arse to buy a PS2 and therefore, uses an emulator to have a free WR that nobody should care for. I enjoy this game and I want something to grow from this but I don't understand some things here.

Edited by the author 6 years ago

Firstly just a heads-up, being passive-aggressive isn't going to solve anything. Quite honestly, it's making you come across as an imbecile. Secondly, if you want to call someone a nerd, you shouldn't have an anime avatar. Thirdly, I own a PS2 and have done runs on PS2. And lastly, if you wish to talk about people's heads being ''up their arses'', why don't you actually read what me and ef14 have actually posted which backs up our reasons for emulator being the primary platform for this game. Because it's pretty clear at this point you just want to have your own way and you don't think you can be wrong and that's not how it works. But yeah i'm not going to waste anymore time replying to you because not only does the speedrun of this game mean absolutely nothing to me, it's pretty clear at this point that it's impossible to have a civil talk with you nor do you appear to possess the maturity so I don't care anymore. P.S I'd rather not even have the community grow if it's going to have people that possess your attitude in it.

Edited by the author 6 years ago
Hampshire, England

this right here, is a forum

England

love you papi <3

Italy

Well this is a great meme, i just caught up with this.

Other than the reasons already stated, how do you expect the game to grow if we make the run into 20minutes of menuing+5 minutes of exiting every single match+30 minutes of loading?

Is getting intentionally DQ'd a "meme"? Yes, yes it is, but at least its some resemblance of gameplay, i could've understood your concerns if you wanted something like a "good ending" category that forces people into actually winning matches, but what you're asking is literally a slower NG+.

Moreover, getting mad/being passive aggressive in a forum won't get you anywhere, neither will bringing your friends to a thread to back you up, as Robot said, you don't seem to have the maturity to have a serious conversation, but i'm willing to consider more/different categories if they make sense, this isn't us ganging up on you, since i barely know Robot, only things we have in common is that we speedran this game and we both seem to know who Zoton2 is(Shoutouts to that dude btw).

Now to end this charade, responding is probably a bad idea, but eh, if it ends up in people insulting other people again i can simply just close the thread i suppose.

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