No new category granted by moderator...?
7 years ago
United States

I just posted a new run for the PS4 version of Final Fantasy VII. In this run I used the new PS4 options of 3x speed and Toggling Random Battles (but didn't use Battle Boosters). My run was rejected by a moderator and the moderator said they would not be adding a new category...for...the new category of speedrun. Clearly the run is a new category - FFVII (PS4) Any% (No Slots, No Battle Boosts). Why does a moderator get to reject it just because it's the first run of a new category? Why is this in the game moderator's power? I moderate plenty of game pages and I've never rejected a new run because of my own personal opinions. I don't like it. It's weird. Mods shouldn't be able to just bar new categories because they choose to do so. Especially when it's a beat the game category and not just a random flag in the game category (which is in many game pages if you look anyway). What are the opinions on this? Can I get some help? Thanks in advance everyone!

NickDoane

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England

FFVII is one of the most remade games, ever. The boards are already pretty clogged with categories as it is and, unless there is a popular want for a category there is no reason to add another one.

Lets take a look at the PS4 version, there is currently Any% and Any% No Slots. Any% is obviously the most popular with 9 runs on it, whilst No Slots has 3 runs. Your new run has even more restrictions on it, so what makes you think that anyone is going to want to run it over either of the other ones? For a popular game like this, there is no reason to have a category for a single run.

What I'm saying is, if the category gets more popular then I'm sure they'll consider adding it, however, there is no reason to add one for a single person.

French Southern Territories

You can reject a category if the category doesn't make sense for speedrunning :

  • Too close from an already existing category
  • Runs using cheats
  • Runs with a goal that is really stupid

I have no clue what the category you asked for is, since I've never played FF7; but you should have asked for a category BEFORE submitting the run.

United Kingdom

I rejected the run and request for category so I'll explain why First of all, there's never going to be a "right" way to deal with this and you'll always have discussion on the matter one way or the other as you can already see in this thread.

I think it's silly to create a category to display only 1 time on the leaderboard. Leaderboards are useful to show competition and compare times between runners, not just show off 1 persons PB. Having multiple leaderboards with only 1 time just makes it frustrating for users to find out where the real competition is at and what people run. For Furrywulfz examples, I don't moderate FF1 or 8 so I can't say, but for FF5 BS1A times are on the nico RTA wiki so the time there serves a purpose. (We don't attempt to actively add nico times since keeping the boards updated is a lot of work and nico boards don't have vods). No sphere grid FFX is something I've been working on personally for a long time and something others have shown interest in, there will be more times in the future. Expert sphere grid is a bit of an outlier. This board was created when the HD version came out and I expected more interest. Creating it then was probably the wrong decision, but at least the speedrun is serious and non-arbitrary.

Accepting new categories after a run has been done sets an awful precedent if you haven't thought about the consequence. If this run is ok, then what about a different selection of boosters? What if someone "trolls" and creates a different category every day of the week with each one being slightly different than the other? "All characters speedrun" "All summon materias" "All magic materias" Just to clog up the leaderboards with random garbage-tier speedruns, they should be accepted too? For better or worse, creating categories is a case-by-case basis, and in this case I've decided to decline as allowing a specific selection of boosters is incredibly arbitrary, no matter how fun the speedrun might be for you. As of right now there's no other interest besides yourself. As I said when I rejected it, if there's more interest in the future from others, and more than 1 time to display on the leaderboard, we can discuss it again and probably create the category.

This doesn't mean you have to stop speedrunning it, though. A leaderboard doesn't need to exist for you to speedrun something. Doing something that's fun for you but different to others? That's great, but it doesn't mean a leaderboard has to exist.

Next time ask us directly or at least on the FF7 forum

Edited by the author 7 years ago
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